Ah, my apologies. I should have clarified that TPM and AOTC do not "spoil" the fact that Anakin is Vader. I was thinking of it more in this sense: The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey essentially spoils the ending of the LOTR PT because Peter Jackson intends for it to be watched after LOTR. TPM and AOTC, in contrast, do not spoil the ending of ROTS. Lucas never discloses a narrative surprise in the same manner because, I would argue, he intends for the PT to be watched I through VI should the viewer so choose. In regards to Yoda, I agree that that does spoil the reveal in ESB. But, by my estimation, the greatest value of that scene wasn't so much the surprise as it was witnessing Luke recognize, as you say, that he should not judge. The surprise itself also arrives relatively quickly within the story since it's revealed not too long after Luke meets him that Yoda is Yoda. Oh, I think the ESB reveal can still be a shock, most certainly. But I think there's value in watching the Saga I through VI because the PT has its own set of shocks, chief among them being Anakin's turn. Perhaps its just me, but I've always been much more shocked by unexpected character actions rather than the revelation of new information. Seeing the characters make choices is much more fulfilling, for me, in this regard. For instance, even in ESB, I've always found Luke's choice to let go and die rather than take his father's hand to be the most compelling aspect of the reveal scene. And for this, it doesn't matter if you've watched the PT first or last. I think one of the other chief issues, also, is that the father-Vader revelation was so compelling for a lot of people was because they had to wait three years between ESB and ROTJ to find out the truth (along with what happened to Han). But nowadays, with the Saga released on home video, you immediately get an answer to that question within an hour. In that sense, the reveal does lose a little bit of steam because there isn't the same rabid speculation. When you compare it to something like Anakin's turn, there's really no question to what Anakin is doing. What made it rather astounding, to me, was that he made such a choice in the first place. Vader's information, I would argue, grabbed people's attention as strongly as it did because they didn't know if he was telling the truth or lying and they had so long to mull it over along with the implications. I think it's been noted, for instance, that ESB had one of the first major "cliffhanger" endings, which I think likely played a part into why the reveal worked so well for so many. I think that the PT is meant to be seen in light of the OT, but I don't necessarily think that that says anything about the viewing order. The films are all reciprocal and new information you learn in later installments will affect how previous installments are viewed. That's the nature of the beast. So while ANH will inform how you view ESB and ROTJ, ESB and ROTJ will also exert an effect on how you view ANH. Especially when one takes into account their revelations. The same is true of the PT, regardless whether it is viewed before or after. There's an interplay amongst all the films. But anyway, thanks for reading through all I wrote. I hope, at least, that even if the PT doesn't always work for you, that you can still enjoy the Saga the way you like. I don't necessarily agree that the Force comes across as muddled in the PT without watching the OT first. TPM does a lot of great establishing and while it doesn't have a discussion of the Force of the same length as ANH, it does also employ a lot more "show, rather than tell." Just in the opening, for instance, the audience gets new information -- that there's the Living Force, that the Jedi can sense malice and hidden intent (to a certain extent) through the Force. Obi-Wan himself senses an elusive presence while they both know, instinctively, that there's a great deal of fear regarding their presence. This builds later in discussions of Anakin's powers and how his skills are Jedi traits. Plus, I think the word "police" is a pretty apt descriptor for the Jedi, in many respects. They're guardians of peace and justice which is (ideally) what police should be to our own world. The Jedi are much more institutionalized in the PT compared to the OT (for obvious reasons ) and thus I think it works well. Especially since Yoda and Obi-Wan undergo a transformation (in part) between the PT and the OT, I think these differences work in their favor as it establishes how deeply they were affected by Order 66 and the loss of their Jedi brethren. Honestly, it's been a while, but I don't think I had a clear idea of the Force before watching the films. For a variety of reasons, Star Wars was never much on my radar so I went into it completely blind. My friends, I can assure you, most definitely didn't spoil anything for me since it wasn't the type of film we discussed or paid my attention to (we were huge Harry Potter fans, rather). I honestly never had trouble understanding who the Jedi were nor that the fact that they were Jedi granted them powers through what was known as the "Force." For me, I think I would find it more believable if her reaction to the carbon freezing chamber was not so much more potent and visible. Had she consistently handled loss and pain by shutting down and pretending everything is alright, I think I would have found it easier to swallow. But she doesn't, especially not as Han is frozen and you see the anguish on her face. And it's more than that, in the sense that once Alderaan is destroyed, it's really never brought up again. This I found especially perplexing given that a Death Star II was being built. Wouldn't that be horrible for Leia? A terrible reminder of what she had loss and could lose even more? And yet she's all smiles and cheerful. Emotionally, I find it very difficult to get into her head for that reason. And, in large part, I think it's down to the tone of the OT. ANH is a more light-hearted adventure while ESB is much darker and more character driven and thus her reactions come across (at least for me) as rather jarring. For me, it mattered a lot because I have always been very invested in Luke's story and one of the things I think could be most compelling would be watching him work through the confusion and pain the revelation would have brought him. It would have made the "I am your father scene" all the more significant and powerful. But he doesn't. Instead, he enters ROTJ already determined to save Anakin/Vader and, while I can accept that he would eventually come to this conclusion, it feels as though we are robbed of a pivotal point in Luke's story. Regardless, though, it is something like this that I find more problematic than, say, Obi-Wan making a minor lie about the lightsaber (among of field of lies) since it so strongly affects the narrative of the OT. Personally, I consider Jacob (and all the Twilight cast) rather poorly done, so I won't do Han the dishonor of making the comparison. Likewise, I'm not that familiar with Gale. I can address Ron in Harry Potter, though, to give you some idea of what I mean. Ron himself might not be central to the proceedings, but he does have a character arc. Even by Deathly Hallows, we see that JK Rowling shows how he needs to overcome his jealousy of Harry and get over his feelings of being overshadowed by his brother. In contrast, it seems as though Lucas wasn't sure what to do with Han once ANH was over. This might be because they weren't sure if they could get Harrison Ford for the other films, but regardless, he often seems to simply be there. Han basically has no conflicts and very little development after ANH (where he goes from selfish smuggler to hero). He works as a love interest for Leia, but a romance, in my opinion, can't stand in for character development. It's a real pity, to me, because I always felt that, through Lando, a lot of Han could have been explored -- such as how he dealt with a friends' "betrayal", but such a thing is never addressed. When you look, for example, at how deeply Luke is affected by events in the films and how greatly different he is in ANH vs. ROTJ, I just can't help but feel that Han lost steam and became ancillary. I will simply say that I disagree. Overall, I think Anakin is far and away the best developed character in the Saga (with Luke being second). His motivations as a character, his actions, and the way he responds to crisis (for me) are the most compelling part of the Saga. But your mileage may vary, I suppose. None taken, it's been a very interesting discussion so far. I will say, though, that I don't think it needs to be a an "either/or" scenario where one views the PT through the lens of the OT or vice versa. I think a more holistic approach -- where the Saga is seen in it's entirety, works better and most enriches the films.