ST The ST's Post-Structuralist View Of The Force

I believe The Last Jedi (and to a lesser extent, The Force Awakens) have effectively saved the Force from becoming utterly boring.

What did we learn about The Force originally? It's an energy field that surrounds us, penetrates us. With faith, anything is possible.

What 30 plus years of Expanded Universe literature and the Prequel Trilogy tell us about the Force?

"Well, if you become a Sith Lord you have Force Choke right from the get-go. As you level up you can shoot lightning from your fingertips!"

How many times are we gonna see a Jedi just simply use the Force as a battering ram and that's it? Maybe jump a little higher? Wave their hand to confuse an opponent? All because these are the only things we've seen in the original trilogy. That's just a very limited scope.

We're entering the Force Rennaisance era as we've seen:

1. Kylo Ren completely immobilizing matter in space... enemy combatants and laser beams.
2. Mind probing.
3. Mind melding.
4. Astral projections.
5. Battle meditation (Rey vs Kylo on Starkiller Base, though you can say this harkens back to Luke deflecting shots while blinded.)
6. Snoke causing all of Rey's nerve endings to erupt in agony.
7. Changing the weather, summoning lightning bolts from the sky (Yoda on Ach-To)
8. Physical matter being transported across the Galaxy (water drops on Kylo Ren after his conversation with Rey)

There's a specific passage back in Shadows of the Empire that gets it right: something to the effect that with the Force, Vader could easily just stop someone's heart from beating, or snap their spine, or any number of things to kill his enemies. He just finds personal pleasure in strangling his enemies to death. That's his trademark. In the context of Return of the Jedi, Palpatine wanted to give Luke a slow, painful death. So he uses Force lightning. Suddenly, EVERYTHING is force choke and force lightning. Which was encapsulated in that Savage Opress training montage in The Clone Wars season 3, which essentially just amounted to Savage using Force Grip while Count Dooku shocked him.

The point I'm trying to make? There's no such thing as "Force powers". It's all a load of BS. "It's so much more". When people bitch and moan about Rey being a "Mary Sue" because she bypassed How To Lift Stuff 101... I think that's just an element of Star Wars that got lost in time. Yoda NEVER taught Luke how to use a lightsaber, or how to lift rocks. He just taught Luke to LET GO and let the rest happen naturally.

 

Leia is now the most powerful Force user by far. No one has come close to achieving resurrection from the dead. Much less flying through space.

And yet, she will die off screen before episode nine and even starts! Ridiculous.

 

I don't really understand what you're trying to get at here.

Everyone dies at some point and immortality as a Force ghost is one of the biggest tenets of the entire Star Wars mythology? Somehow pulling yourself through space to save yourself after narrowly escaping death makes you "the most powerful force user ever"?

"Most powerful force user" and Power Scaling bull**** is emblematic of what I'm talking about. Star Wars and the philosophies that informed The Force teach us that we all have equal potential.

 

She wasn’t dead. It was only a flesh wound. I can only imagine the frostbite.

 

Where do you get that she was dead? And pulling ones self through empty vacuum is a different thing than flying.

 

I don't think these are as new as you're saying. The EU had a lot of zany force powers from what I remember.

 

Is that for real?

 

Its depressing that it actually seems like something that moron would actually tweet.

 

So wait - she survived direct missilefire from multiple Tie fighters?? The missiles literally exploded in the very room she was in and you believe she survived that? And that was before being launched into space.

 

She didn't look blown apart, to me. Just looked like she was sucked out into vacuum and knocked cold for a few seconds. Someone can survive vacuum for longer than a few seconds.

 

As Hitch would say, it’s only a movie. Love your username btw. I remember finding it very intriguing back in the day of the prequels when I was Prince Espaa Valorum. Wth does it mean?

 

Same answer as above.

 

Au contraire. Maul survived being sliced in half by "his hate and will to survive" and got a fancy set of spider legs to boot!

 

I never said she was dismembered. But to think she could survive direct fire and explosion in the very room she was standing and seems quite implausible. And then following that she is sent into the vacuum of space with no oxygen and beyond freezing temperatures. Seems quite logical that she would be dead.

Ha ha. I take "it's only a movie" to mean that we have to Suspend belief to accept that scene.

Nice to see someone here from the old days. I really miss those times. Especially now! LOL. Green Destiny was the sword at the center of the plot in the movie Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon.

 

Not unless Donald Trump reads Green_Destiny_Sword posts on here. Besides I doubt Trump would tweet anything about Star Wars considering he poked fun at Obama for saying he was going to watch Force Awakens when Trump felt there should be more pressing issues for the president to worry about.

 

Its plausible that Arnold Schwarzenegger can do the same thing in every movie he made in the first fifteen years of his career?

 

Yes, there are new Force powers, and it was about time.

 

Frostbite? Where did the heat go?

 

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And someone can survive in the vacuum of space for a few minutes. Its cold but it won't kill you right away. Don't believe the old 'exploding people' line Sci-fi used to feed you.

 

I can actually get behind this concept more now.

 

"that scene"

 

In that regard - you're right. In this new Star Wars created by Johnson, anything goes. Hence Leia now being the most powerful force user.

 

Arnold Schwarzenegger is the most powerful force user ever. You heard it here, first, folks.

 

Leia pulled her 75 kg through 300 meters.

Yoda and other Jedi have done way more overpower stuff.