NYC, NY The SWNYC Moan and Complain Thread

Discussion in 'NorthEast Regional Discussion' started by ObiWill, Jul 23, 2002.

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  1. ObiWill Jedi Master

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    As we all know, there has been much ranting and raving about SWNYC staff "abuses of power." These endless tirades have no place in otherwise perfectly harmonious discussions of coffee, pizza, and the many great accomplishments our organization has achieved over the past two years.

    We of the SWNYC Staff have decided to create a complaint thread for just that purpose. Anyone who has gripes against us, please post them here. We staff members have agreed to NOT post any responses to this thread, only to read.

    Effective immediately, all rants, complaints, and especially insults found in other topics will be removed from those threads without notice.

    -The Staff of SWNYC
    LadySith, ObiWill, MysterySith, Meriwyn, CitizenJohn, JediSamantha, CyranoDB, and Nillanator
  2. dp4m Chosen One

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    I'm not sure I condone the random deletion of text already posted. Seems very censoring for text that likely falls within the TOC/ROC for the board.

    Although requesting that all gripes, etc. go in this thread from now on is certainly viable. :)

    Question -- how to handle gripes, complaints, moans, etc. in specific threads where someone is complaining about something specific to that plan, thread topic, activity, etc.? Do they have to be posted here as well? It could become confusing to see a gripe without reference...
  3. DruKalita Jedi Knight

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    These endless tirades have no place in otherwise perfectly harmonious discussions of coffee, pizza, and the many great accomplishments our organization has achieved over the past two years.

    So if it's not pointless BS or self-congratulatory-pats-on-the-back, we're not allowed to talk about SWNYC?


  4. LadySith Jedi Master

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    Ok first and last time you should see a staff member posting here. Let me explain this throughly so there are no misunderstandings.

    This is the place where people can call us chuckleheads, dictators, idiots etc. This is not open for debate this is a decision by the SWNYC executive staff. Look at it this way, as long as it's Clean and not obscene you all now have a place to speak freely for those who are interested in that sort of thing to post. We have had numerous complaints that every thread seems to degenerate into a flame war. Example: When a thread is a rundown of the clubs successes thus far and is a discussion for the future to continue meeting our goals and someone launches a tirade berating the group as a whole as well as specific members and has nothing to do with the topic on hand, we will request it be deleted and invite the person to post their words of wisdom here. Same thing goes for people who continue to make inside jokes designed to open old wounds. This must and will stop. Dru, the condecending tone and remarks of your post is a prime example of what will no longer be tolerated in other threads.

    DP4M, If we are planning and event on the board, then naturally it can be discussed and debated in that thread. This place is for people who generally want to tell us how badly we stink.

    SWNYC is a real club that exists more offline than on. Because of that, we suggest people who really wish to get involved or make themselves heard attend meetings. While the staff does read and consider everything written in these forums, we can only give it so much credibility if the person griping is not an active member and does not plan to be.

    One more time to make sure we all got it.
    THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION FORUM. So, anyone wishing to discuss this post must do it with me via PM or e-mail. After this, the staff will not be answering anymore postings here. I did now only to make things perfectly clear. The rest of the forum is to discuss SWNYC and whatever else we wish in a calm, respectful and rational manner and to remain pleasant & on topic within each specific thread. If you want to say "You guys suck" you do that here. this way all opinions are heard.
  5. VLAmidala Jedi Knight

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    may i mention again that last i checked, swnyc has a separate forum which is better suited to swnyc-specific debates. i realize that swnyc effectively holds absolute power in both locations, but it stands to reason that a club board is more fit for discussion of club topics than a board for a certain geographic area.
  6. thechairguy Jedi Youngling

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    "As we all know, there has been much ranting and raving about SWNYC staff "abuses of power." These endless tirades have no place in otherwise perfectly harmonious discussions of coffee, pizza, and the many great accomplishments our organization has achieved over the past two years."

    Ahh, so such a "flawless" organization & collection of individuals couldn't possibly have any room for improvement in its ranks? Interesting approach!

    "Dru, the condecending tone and remarks of your post is a prime example of what will no longer be tolerated in other threads."

    "When a thread is a rundown of the clubs successes thus far and is a discussion for the future to continue meeting our goals and someone launches a tirade berating the group as a whole as well as specific members and has nothing to do with the topic on hand, we will request it be deleted and invite the person to post their words of wisdom here."


    Talk about condescending tones...but I guess it's ok since you're a moderator, right? Perhaps you should actually practice that higher standard that you seem to envision yourself as possessing, before you resort to dismissing others so readily & condescendingly.

    "SWNYC is a real club that exists more offline than on. Because of that, we suggest people who really wish to get involved or make themselves heard attend meetings. While the staff does read and consider everything written in these forums, we can only give it so much credibility if the person griping is not an active member and does not plan to be."

    Any chance it might dawn on you that people may be reluctant to join your little Ensemble of Egotists because of the problems they perceive the organization (or at the very least select individuals) as having? Apathy & disdain toward your organization can do nothing but compound when criticism results in a reaction such as this. Yes, why don't we just create a thread for those who find fault with us & sweep it all under the rug...the mark of a truly innovative & receptive organization!

    "may i mention again that last i checked, swnyc has a separate forum which is better suited to swnyc-specific debates. i realize that swnyc effectively holds absolute power in both locations, but it stands to reason that a club board is more fit for discussion of club topics than a board for a certain geographic area."

    Truly wonderful the mind of an NYU student is. It is rather interesting to note that this recent swell of threads of SWNYC patting itself on the back with thank you notes & other signs of self-congratulation do not even appear in the organization's own official site forums, yet when the organization or its individual members are called on the carpet here, these things are as bountiful as Slim Jims in a Harlem bodega.
  7. DruKalita Jedi Knight

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    Dru, the condecending tone and remarks of your post is a prime example of what will no longer be tolerated in other threads.

    Hey, I thought you weren't supposed to reply to that... ;-)

    And yes I know, this is not a discussion forum, but this comment is meant for the group...

    My basic complaint about these forums is that whenever we actually start having an *interesting* discussion on this board it always gets shut down. And I don't mean just criticism of the club, but anything that's even slightly controversial or negative.

    Charity work and pizza are nice and good and I'm glad they exist, but they don't make for the most engaging conversations.
  8. KitFistoRox Jedi Knight

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    May 25, 2002
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    I do like the staff's declaration that they shall not post in this thread, "prohibiting" them from addressing many concerns that, while they may be expressed in a condescending or flame-bait sort of way, are quite valid. Of course, VLA's point is well taken too, that this *is* a NYC board and not a SWNYC board, and points like hers are those that I would indeed like to hear responses to.

    Of course, since badmouthing/ranting/truthtelling/etc is prohibited elsewhere, and the mods have conveniently prohibited themselves from posting here, then there is no public forum for *debating* board policy with said moderators either.
  9. Moeskywalker64 Jedi Master

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    "Of course, since badmouthing/ranting/truthtelling/etc is prohibited elsewhere, and the mods have conveniently prohibited themselves from posting here, then there is no public forum for *debating* board policy with said moderators either."

    I agree that there should be a thread that allows discussion and debate of problems(not personal insults) Where the moderators and the staff actually talk to the complainers and try to work things out rather than simply ignoring or putting down...Although 50% of the complaints could easily get resolved through PM or E-Mail...as most would agree that opening up that can on a message board almost always widens into an unproductive and childish flame war...

    "I'm not sure I condone the random deletion of text already posted."
    Too much Censoring=No good...

    "Of course, VLA's point is well taken too, that this *is* a NYC board and not a SWNYC board, and points like hers are those that I would indeed like to hear responses to."
    Agreed...
  10. dp4m Chosen One

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    "All you [female parental unit sex offenders] are gonna pay, You are the ones who are the [no way to not make offensive]. We're gonna [sex act] your mothers while you watch and cry like little [female dogs]. Once we get to Hollywood and find those Miramax [plural sex acts] who are making that movie, we're gonna make 'em eat our [poop], then [ibid] out our [ibid], then eat their [ibid] which is made up of our [ibid] that we made 'em eat. Then you're all [active tense of sex act] next."

    - Love, Jay and Silent Bob

    I just thought it was appropriate for this thread. :) (and editing it was hard!)

    "Y'know, the Internet?"
    "What the **** is the Internet?"
    "The Internet is a high-speed communications medium devised so millions of people could get together anonymously and bash movies and share porn!"

    Ahhhh... high comedy...
  11. thechairguy Jedi Youngling

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    ""Of course, VLA's point is well taken too, that this *is* a NYC board and not a SWNYC board, and points like hers are those that I would indeed like to hear responses to."
    Agreed..."

    As the moderators are all members of SWNYC, that leaves little room for debate about the direction of this thread, not to mention individuality. One would think that they would be content with having a forum on their organization's own site & open their exclusive moderation of this NYC area collection of Star Wars fans to a broader cross section of fans (read: SWNYC member & non-member), but this has proven not to be the case, as more SWNYC news seems to be posted here for both members & likely disinterested non-members to see, when a wiser approach might be to post SWNYC-specific info on their own site & leave this board for fans who may or may not wish to join their ranks.
  12. Cailinn-Sarr Jedi Knight

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    All this is why I left the group(SWNYC).
  13. Moeskywalker64 Jedi Master

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    Haha...ibid

    Count on Kevin Smith to perfectly describe the internet in one sentence...plus remember what Jay and Silent Bob did at the end of the movie...priceless...
  14. Mayhem Jedi Master

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    Ahh..I almost feel like I'm watching celebrity deathmatch....either that or beat the geek........

    *goes back into his little world*
  15. KitFistoRox Jedi Knight

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    When discussing SWNYC abuses of power, it is important to note what has already been mentioned numerous times: that the 1-to-1 correspondence between this board's moderators and SWNYC staff is not a good thing, that this is not a SWNYC board. The *majority* of people who post on this board are *not* SWNYC members, they are Star Wars fans who joined TFN or who were on the NY line and came to these boards as a place to meet other fans in New York City.

    SWNYC has taken credit for/claimed ownership of many recent New York City events, from this board to the NY line to even the MoM exhibit! It is my understanding that in truth, SWNYC came to the line organizers and *begged* to be a part of the line that my own brother was a founding member of! And being responsible for the MoM exhibit? What the heck!? They were planning to bring that to New York for years! I'm surprised SWNYC doesn't take credit for AOTC showing at the Ziegfeld!

    And the few of us who are outspoken enough about these abuses of ownership are not the only ones suspicious of it; TFN probably asked you guys to put up these boards to see if the rumors of people being unhappy with SWNYC moderating it were true.

    Well, they are.
  16. Jedi_Samantha Jedi Master

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    Moderation clarification:
    The ONLY moderator on THIS section of the message board who is a staff member of SWNYC is Mysterysith. And that is mainly because he is the TFN Fan force advisor. The other people who have authrity here are Rox and Strawbary, and any other moderator who is asked to edit or remove something.


    Sorry to post but you all have the wrong impression on moderation and moderators here i believe. Moderators have COLORED names. City Reps have BLUE colored names and they are NOT allowed to edit or remove anything.
  17. bobajames Jedi Knight

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    wow........something 4 me to read when i'm at work....


    -BJ
  18. dp4m Chosen One

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    Moderation clarification:
    The ONLY moderator on THIS section of the message board who is a staff member of SWNYC is Mysterysith. And that is mainly because he is the TFN Fan force advisor. The other people who have authrity here are Rox and Strawbary, and any other moderator who is asked to edit or remove something.


    Non-Moderator Clarification:

    This is not a gripe. (Luke, don't... it's a TRAP!)

    But it seems that if "uncolored" SWNYC staff members are allowed to request deletions of individual posts, let alone whole threads, then they carry some moderating weight around.
  19. VLAmidala Jedi Knight

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    City Reps have BLUE colored names and they are NOT allowed to edit or remove anything.

    true, but city reps (both present and past) have more pull than regular users when it comes to requesting that RSAs edit/delete posts/threads. that alone is fine - the problem arises when city reps are also officers in the club which, some non-members contend, is causing a disruption on the board.

    (which is what dp4m said... but not. mwaha.)
  20. thechairguy Jedi Youngling

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    "Moderation clarification:
    The ONLY moderator on THIS section of the message board who is a staff member of SWNYC is Mysterysith. And that is mainly because he is the TFN Fan force advisor. The other people who have authrity here are Rox and Strawbary, and any other moderator who is asked to edit or remove something.

    Sorry to post but you all have the wrong impression on moderation and moderators here i believe. Moderators have COLORED names. City Reps have BLUE colored names and they are NOT allowed to edit or remove anything."


    No my dear, I believe it is you who are mistaken about a great many things. ObiWill has done a fair bit of editing & his name is blue, is it not? & until quite recently, LadySith was also counted among them, was she not? You seem to have forgotten them, regardless of their "official status."

    Fact is, there is a shortage of representation here in moderation at any level of non-SWNYC members. You have your own site, yet the fact that there are a substantial number of people here in the NYC area who have zero interest in SWNYC & do not care to be "policed" by them continues to be ignored. There is Star Wars. There is New York City. Just because SWNYC has adopted the two things as its name, it's far from all-encompassing, with regard to the number of Star Wars fans in NYC.

  21. Jedi_Samantha Jedi Master

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    But it seems that if "uncolored" SWNYC staff members are allowed to request deletions of individual posts, let alone whole threads, then they carry some moderating weight around.

    Anyone can request something to be edited or deleated. Not just staff. Members too. Ive done it in other threads.

  22. VLAmidala Jedi Knight

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    then i guess the rest of the world is just a whole lot less sensitive to negativity, hmm?
  23. bobajames Jedi Knight

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    y r u posting on this topic sam r u not a staff member of swnyc.....will had said that swnyc staff members would not post here.....and my big thing was my leaving swnyc topic was taken off.....when it could of just had been locked....and the fact that rox had no idea what it was about or what was said did not help eather.....


    -BJ
  24. Jedi_Samantha Jedi Master

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    If you must know, i have stepped away from my staff position for a couple months so i can attend to my sick and dying grandmother.
  25. bobajames Jedi Knight

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    u r still listed as a acting staff member u should let the other members know that....as u can c that u r on that list of ppl that will not post on this topic.....and i'm not embarrased by my last post eather......and i am sorry about ur grandmother....


    -BJ
    edit:: dru.....psh!!!
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