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The symbolism of Palpatine

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Obi-Ewan, Mar 27, 2003.

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  1. Obi-Ewan

    Obi-Ewan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It seems to me that with Palpatine, Lucas is using imagery to metaphorically suggest what Palpatine is doing, sometimes by equating him with an animal.

    In ROTJ, he sat with his chair right in front of that round window. Given the design of the window, he looked like a spider in the middle of a web. In Episode I, he whispered into Padme's ear from the side, like the snake tempting Eve. And in Episode II, I couldn't find any animal imagery, so I hope this doesn't sound like a stretch. The senate is a womb like environment, and the Chancellor's podium looks rather phallic. Seems appropriate then, that it is in the Senate that the Empire is born.
     
  2. k-man

    k-man Jedi Youngling star 3

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    With the Chancellor's podium looking phallic, does that make Palpatine a d!@k head?

    Sorry -- seriously though, I never looked at the imagery used with Palpatine and I think what you suggest makes sense.

     
  3. Ret

    Ret Jedi Knight star 6

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    Good thinking, I like it.
     
  4. Obi-Ewan

    Obi-Ewan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    With the Chancellor's podium looking phallic, does that make Palpatine a d!@k head?

    Yes! Although I think if we were to extend the analogy to lightsabers it might be too far. Imagine the sexual subtext of a lightsaber duel. Especially Obi-Wan vs. Maul. Maul has a lightsaber twice as big as anyone else's. Which means basically that Ewan killed him because of penis envy. :D
     
  5. Darth-Dispicable

    Darth-Dispicable Jedi Master star 4

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    Very curious indeed. I have never thought of looking at it like that, I will have to review the movies again. By the way, the whole penis envy and phalic theories are hilarious.
     
  6. Ktulu_Terumo

    Ktulu_Terumo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    He whispered into Padme's ear from the side, like the snake tempting Eve.

    True indeed. I've never seen it that way, but it is true.
     
  7. RahrKast

    RahrKast Jedi Youngling star 2

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    :cool: Cool snake idea!
    The spider thing also came into my mind. But whether the viewer remarks it or not, the throne room scene is one of the greatest in movie history.
     
  8. ForceHeretic

    ForceHeretic Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I think comparing Palpatine to an animal goes totally against his character. Palpatine is the type of villain that uses his mind, not his fists, to battle an enemy, thus is why he is so dangerous

    Darth Maul on the other hand was a completely physical villain, he is much more of an animal. When he battles you can see the animal ferocity in his eyes, like a wolf knowing the kill is near. And when he and Qui-gon are seperated, he paces back and forth like a caged animal, his only instinct is to resume the hunt

    So Palpatine I don't think is supposed to be like any animal, I think that part was taken by Maul
     
  9. Obi-Ewan

    Obi-Ewan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think comparing Palpatine to an animal goes totally against his character. Palpatine is the type of villain that uses his mind, not his fists, to battle an enemy, thus is why he is so dangerous


    The Biblical snake worked in the same way: convincing mankind to do what it shouldn't. And the spider lays low until its prey is near. As Darth Sidious, that's what he's been doing all along. Manipulating events until the right time comes to take power--or, like the snake, to convince others to give it to him.
     
  10. darth_brutus

    darth_brutus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think comparing Palpatine to an animal goes totally against his character. Palpatine is the type of villain that uses his mind, not his fists, to battle an enemy, thus is why he is so dangerous

    Just because Palpatine was not the physically agressive villain that Darth Maul was does not reduce any animal-like characteristics that Palpatine has. Darth Maul was indeed the far more agressive of the two, much like a caged animal, hunting out his prey, whereas Palpatine used deception to draw in his prey before then pouncing. The trapdoor spider is a good example of an animal using similar methods. Not all wild animals run on sheer ferocity when hunting out their prey.
     
  11. Mateo

    Mateo Jedi Padawan star 4

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    As Lord Sidious he is like a wild cat,hidden from view yet at the same always nearby ready to suddenly lash out and kill anyone that gets in his way or causes him a probelm, Dooku is more like a Hawk always lurching around waiting to kill others that oppoose him but not seen until its too late to stop him from taking his prey down.

    And Lord Vader is like a rabid attack dog on Palpatines leash,always there and visible ready to destroy anyone or anything at any time and makes no effort to hide this fact and enjoys the fact that everyone fears him because he can smell their fear with the Dark Side, Maul was also like this yet he was more like a hidden attack dog kinda like Mr.Burns dogs that just appear at the last minute and attack.
     
  12. Darth Jamus

    Darth Jamus Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "The senate is a womb like environment, and the Chancellor's podium looks rather phallic. Seems appropriate then, that it is in the Senate that the Empire is born."

    Ummmmm..............right! whatever you say!

    Perhaps you all should take a break from Star wars for a while! ;)
     
  13. rpeugh

    rpeugh Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Those are awesome thoughts ObiEwan.
     
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