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By definition, anyone that comes here illegally is a criminal.

 

changing tactics i see

 

I have quite easily manipulated the two of you into proving the point I have made: "Bigotry" is very much in the eye of the beholder.

 

lol

 

excuse me but you're making a huge assumption when you say that rogue and tom are "intelligent people"

 

Agreed, but I was giving them the benefit of the doubt for the sake of argument.

 

she didn't say that people who came here illegally aren't criminals. she said "it is bigoted to believe Mexicans are criminals (or undocumented immigrants are all rapists".

90% of this thread is you making up **** and then arguing with people about something they didn't say lol

 

He edited his post to add "quite easily".

I don't know about you guys but I'm going to like his posts, they're too good.

 

No one is saying all Mexicans are criminals. However, all Mexicans who come here illegally are criminals by virtue of the silly little fact that, you know, they're here illegally. It's really a tautology, you see.....

It seems we are in agreement regarding the above, so there is no clear reason as to why you are arguing.

 

Smart!

 

i'm arguing because you keep bringing it up like somebody is in disagreement with you. but literally nobody is. so why did you feel the need to bring it up?

 

My wife is a business owner who has no easy way to tell whether the people who hire her are gay. I feel she is being discriminated against for not being free to discriminate against gay people the way a cake baker can discriminate. Is it her fault that there's no obvious way for her to implement her religious beliefs vis a vis how she chooses clients? I'm looking for some intelligent person who will disagree with me.

 

If you actually took the time to read the previous page and subject of discussion, instead of just jumping into a conversation you clearly are not following, you would see that I brought up the idea of advocating for building a wall on the U.S. southern border as an example of something that intelligent people can reasonably disagree on whether or not it is an example of bigotry. The topic evolved naturally from that point, but hopefully this helps clear up for you why I "felt the need to bring it up".

 

you're really crushing this beezer.

 

Yes, well that is a natural consequence when one's vocabulary extends beyond simple statements such as "changing tactics i see" and "lol"

 

lol

 

lolz puppetmaster.

but seriously, tom and i agree. those policies are bigoted because of their social context. they are not inherently bigoted as policies. there exist non-bigoted reasons for each of them, but, as intelligent people, it is incumbent upon us to examine (1) the context in which they are proposed and (2) the effects which they will have, in determining if the policies are being proposed for bigoted reasons

context, yall

 

It is not a matter of the individuals being dangerous (even though that is all too frequently the case). Rather, it is a matter of it being bad for the country to allow unfettered access to any and all who want to come. Hence the need for the wall (among other measures) to stem the tide of illegal immigrants.

You'll have to be more specific. Are we talking about how I personally conduct my private affairs, or are we talking about what I feel the laws of the United States should say relating to how other people should run their private affairs? Please give a specific example so that I may best respond.

As I (sort of) stated before: When you asked me my religion, I was tempted to respond that it is none of your <expletive deleted> business; instead I placed my faith (no pun intended) in you that it was a genuine, sincere question and therefore I gave a genuine, sincere answer. Please don't prove my faith misplaced.

 

Just as a sort of add-on to this, but that's sort of the point -- the only people who want to ban abortion, for instance, are generally very religious people, mostly Christian and Orthodox Jewish. People who want abortions want the right to say "none of your <expletive deleted> business" to those saying they shouldn't get one.

In a true religious freedom, not imposed by the government, very religious Christians and Orthodox Jews would be free to not avail themselves of abortion services, people whose religion or moral/spiritual guidance did not prohibit them from having an abortion would be free to avail themselves of abortion services, and everyone else would be free to not care.

 

Nope. Being undocumented is not a crime. There are no criminal penalties for being undocumented. You might as well say double parking is a crime.

 

lol who cares what someone's religious beliefs are in the Theist/Atheist thread, amirite?