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yes, I've read it, though some time ago.

I am however not willing to click into your anus


link above.

 

definitely the kaufmann translation. it is really good though, one that you'll keep coming back to.

 

I'm pretty sure that's the one I have (Kaufmann translation, I mean). I didn't know this link was a different translation. How did his sister **** it up, Ramza?

 

Admittedly I haven't read much in terms of pre-Kaufmann translations of Nietzsche specifically to avoid said ****ing up (Wikipedia would seem to indicate that The Antichrist was relatively unscathed, albeit with some passages removed - although I would perhaps cite that line from Amadeus about cutting notes) but in general she tended to selectively delete passages from his works to remove anything critical of German nationalism, antisemitism, etc. - for example, you might have passages criticizing Judaism left intact, whereas a passage immediately following it about how only hypocritical ignoramuses are antisemitic would end up expunged. Playful elements were also deleted from his texts in order to make him seem more scholarly. Probably her most infamous hackjob is The Will to Power, because that was a bunch of selectively compiled and altered fragments that were allegedly written by Nietzsche, but was then pushed hard by the Nietzsche archives - which she controlled, because of course she did - as his definitive work.

And those are merely textual sins. She actively campaigned for and promoted erroneous interpretations of his pre-existing works for the express purpose of making them compatible with Naziism, basically to make him a philosophical idol of the movement and later regime for her own benefit, or as I'm cynically going to refer to it, "pulling a Heidegger." She did so much damage to Nietzsche's public perception that it took a concentrated effort from Kaufmann and several other scholars to make him academically acceptable, and publicly he's still got a stigma associated with him.

tl;dr - The only good thing Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche ever did was start an archive that accidentally wound up undermining her own goals after she was dead.

 

Traditiooooooon, TRADITION. Tradition!

I guess it doesn't quite work in text, but I just couldn't believe no one else went there.

Anyway, carry on.

 

Well, to be fair, I can't imagine most of the atheists going immediately to a musical about traditional Jewish peasant farmers even if the exact story is pretty much exactly what they want including the persecution of Jews for believing in their faith!

(although, to be fair, I'm also pretty sure they wouldn't immediately go to "... who are you, what have you sac-ri-fiiiiiiiced" when saying Jesus Christ aloud...)

 

I've actually been trying to keep Fiddler out of my mind ever since high school, because I was in the orchestra and we had to provide the musical accompaniment for the school's production thereof. Dozens upon dozens of rehearsals later I still battle with every single song getting stuck in my head.

And then you go and mention "Tradition." Screw you guys.

 

The Inspired Version (Joseph Smith Translation) of the Bible and the Book of Doctrine and Covenants. Also early Catholic tradition.

 

yah kaufmann's the shizz. anyone read his nietzsche bio? i havent got to it yet but its sitting on my shelf and im told its a trip. dude died talking to a horse

 

Yeah.... he was nuts, but so brilliant. The guy spent the last of his days playing piano in a brothel, writing philosophy books, and going nuts from syphilis... beautiful.

 

Don't talk about Henry VIII that way!

 

I've been reading Safranski's on and off; it's a pretty entertaining ride.

 

we just did a book club at my church on Why I'm Not a Christian by Bertrand Russell. Any of you guys read it? There were a couple things I liked in it, but overall I thought he did a really quality job of destroying the strawmen he built up, and that was about it.

 

If it's not an almost arcane mess of symbols it's not a Russell lecture I want to read.

Edit: I mean, I haven't read the essay in question, but I've read his take on Kantianism and a paper discussing the ordinary language philosophy movement, and the impression I get is that he was not terribly good at arguing against contrary positions.

 

**** me. Not only can't you draw stick figures of Mohammad, now you can't say the word "Allah" if you're not a Muslim. Didn't think those clowns took the Second Commandment that seriously. I vote we all start referring to Allah as "Ni" to avoid drawing the ire of the Malaysian jihad.

 

BRING ME A SHRUBBERY!

 

AND THEN CUT DOWN THE TALLEST TREE IN THE FOREST WITH A HERRING!!

 

Well.

My mother is a Christian from South Asia who says Allah all the time. Better tell her to pack it up.

 

Yeah, could you Vivec? Don't want to upset KL.

 

That is one bizarre ruling.

 

Seems like a flimsy compromise between the Silly and Sensible parties. Maybe the Slightly Silly party split the Silly vote.

 

biggest laugh: "smirked quite Jewishly."