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Senate The (Third?) Armenian-Azerbaijan War

Discussion in 'Community' started by Lord Vivec, Aug 9, 2014.

  1. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    So, after decades of conflict and ceasefires, Vivec and Ender Armenia and Azerbaijan are back at it again.

    Last week, there some more fighting in the Nagorno-Karabakh region, which both countries claim and have fought each other over before.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/nagorno-karabakh-clashes-azerbaijan-armenia

    Both sides accuse each other of responsibility for that battle.

    Then today the President of Azerbaijan took to twitter launching a 60 tweet tirade against Armenia, stating that the countries were now at war.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/azerbaijan-president-threatens-war-armenia-twitter

    https://twitter.com/presidentaz

    Russia came down on Armenia's side in the last one (even though the USSR was on Azerbaijan's side). So the west will most likely back Azerbaijan here. We'll see how this escalates.
     
  2. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    What's the old cliche, the third time's the charm? :p
     
  3. Mr44

    Mr44 VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Those aren't real countries, you're making that up. What next Mordor and Lothlorien fighting each other?
     
  4. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    Hey, Armenia has been a real country since 1990! Well, officially since 1991, but still!
     
  5. Kyle Katarn

    Kyle Katarn Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    They can't settle it like men and duke it out here?
     
  6. Mr44

    Mr44 VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Seriously, though Israel operates a secret not so secret airbase in Azerbaijan, and not too long ago signed an almost 2 billion dollar arms deal with the government....

    It's pretty clear which side will go where. Because if Israel signed a 2 billion dollar deal with the Azerbaijani government, it just means it's selling equipment ultimately provided by the US.
     
  7. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    i still dont understand any of this shizz. one of the most important things i learned in my turkey anthropology/history class last semester is that the post-ottoman states are pretty much the most confusing place on earth.

    all i know is that nagorno-karabakh republic is a defacto enclave microstate in azerbaijian and that's pretty dope

    also i dont understand why america would be supporting azerbaijian against armenia as Mr44 surmises, as i was given to understand that armenia is an ally of the US and pretty much the most TEAM AMERICA **** YEAH place on earth. like dont they have a statue in honor of the time george w bush visited them or did i make that up?

    i also remember the economist poll of nations in 2008 where armenia was like the only country on earth where mccain would beat obama
     
  8. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Rogue, they're in the Caucuses, not the Balkans. That's the other side of the Black Sea.

    Anyway, I hope Putin steps in and annexes a few things in order to solve this.
     
  9. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Technically they're not in the Balkans:

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    (ah, beaten to it by Guy)
     
  10. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    yeah i noticed that and edited lol

    i meant "anything that used to be the ottoman empire", not just "the balkans"

    would that be "ottoman successor states"? or is turkey the only technical ottoman successor state? i think that's probably a philosophical matter
     
  11. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    I think it's more just those areas being a crossroads of cultures and it's not attributable to the Ottoman Empire in particular. I mean, a lot of the ethnicities predate Ottoman conquest. Might as well say "anything that used to be the Roman or Sassanid Empire."
     
  12. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    i suppose. im just trying to find a suitably encompassing term

    fun story, more or less unrelated story: we had a crazy azeri poet dude in our class (a "non-traditional" student, aka he was probably in his late 40s early 50s) who had been in the american military and all other sorts of crazy stuff in his day, and he would interject these long and mostly incomprehensible (for the students, anyways, all of whom were either american or middle-eastern in origin, tho apparently just disagreeable for the professor, who is a turkish national) rants about the finer points of ethnic tensions in the region or how this or that scholar or turkish man of letters is a douchebag/plagiarist/dangerous. his first diatribe was probably the one that students in the class had the most familiarity with, when he took one of our texts (the one we used for early republic, ottoman, & pre-ottoman history) to task for "uncritical acceptance of armenian 'genocide' thesis", at which point the prof just sort of slump his shoulders like "its gonna be a long semester..."
     
  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    So it's all Ardashir's fault?
     
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  14. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    also, while armenia is also pretty america **** yeah, i was apparently confusing them with albania at least partially, as it is albania that has a george w bush statue, lol

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    i suck today
     
  15. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace JCC Ravager star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    Armenia retains close ties with Russia, while the government of Azerbaijan is very oriented towards the US and the West, which is why Iran counter-intuitively has a sour relationship with Azerbaijan and cozies up to Armenia. One would normally think Azerbaijan, a fellow Shiite nation, would be the most attractive for the Iranian regime to gravitate towards.
     
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  16. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    Yeah, Armenia falls pretty heavily under the Russian sphere of influence. We'd be more likely to support the Azeris.
     
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  17. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Force Ghost star 8

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    So the conflict that still gets zero coverage on American news has actually heated up, with over 30 soldiers killed in clashes between Azeri and Armenian forces in one day. This is the worst fighting in years, and it's between soldiers of both countries in an undeclared war.





    Any thoughts? If war is declared, Armenia falls under the CSTO and would get Russian help.
     
  18. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Yeah I was just reading about this on another site. So sad. I hope it ends soon and with as little bloodshed as possible. Hopefully the Russians don't turn this into another proxy war.
     
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  19. Abadacus

    Abadacus Jedi Master star 4

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    What a beautiful place, what beautiful people, and what an ugly mess ****ing it all up.
    Actually, that's pretty much the whole world, forever, so forget I said anything.

    My heart goes out to everyone involved, and I hope this takes something other than the sadly expected course.
     
  20. Violent Violet Menace

    Violent Violet Menace JCC Ravager star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    They should both stop this nonsense, tear up the treaties of Gulistan and Turkmenchay and rejoin the glorious umbrella of the Empire of Persia.

    #PersianEnderSai
     
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  21. V-2

    V-2 Jedi Master star 4

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    The important question is how will this affect this year's Eurovision?
     
  22. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    If Azerbaijan wins, does Tunick have to change his name to Azerbai?
     
  23. darth_gersh

    darth_gersh Jedi Master star 6

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    All the Kardashians should have to fight in it.