J_W, My posts have everything to do with what you are trying to say. Let's review, as this is what you said: We weren't really abstractly theorizing. We were discussing the fact of Congressional performance. Our comments are also borne out by multiple public opinion polls showing that Republicans are seen as less likely to be seen as honest negotiators in the last few major legislative fights. Except the Ramussen poll I linked to from just 2 days ago showed an opposite effect in that more people would vote for republicans in their districts than democrats. It's a slim margin, but it's nothing like what you are trying to say. Combine that with the other poll results, (Obama's current -18 net approval and public disagreement on policies) and it's not as cut and dried as you are trying to characterize it as. I don't know what you mean by "not being honest negotiators." I don't know which polls you are looking at. And you haven't bothered to clarify either. Pointing these discrepancies out, I also agree with you that the GOP is acting in opposition to the administration. It's obvious that they are. That's what a opposition party is supposed to do..(at least an effective one) What I disagree with is your characterization of the voting effects. Maybe the public responds to strong leadership over politicians who defer the issues? Maybe the proposals being opposed by the republicans still need to be worked out? I don't know. It seems that you might think that my posts have nothing to do with what you're saying because you're not looking at the big picture. You seem to be so hung up on making the republicans look like the bad guys and then stopping there, that you're ignoring the entire political process. Either that, or you are simply taking a stance that whatever the GOP politicians do is wrong, but that's the easiest debate in the world to counter. This is exactly the shortsighted critical error that was made back 3 years ago when people here were predicting the end of the GOP, and speculating that the democratic party would be the sole party in the US "for a generation or more..." simply based on the expectations tied to a single election. Not all that one party does over the other is going to be 100% correct, and nothing that one party is going to do is going to be 100% wrong either. Is it worth it to oppose a payroll tax cut until there is money allocated to make up the difference? Or is it simply better to throw the masses a bone even if the details aren't worked out? Is it better to demand a decision, either way mind you, on an issue like the US-Canadian oil pipeline and not allow the administration to defer the decision until after the election? I've got to say it was a pretty weasely move by the President, and I'm glad we have a strong opposition party in the US for such things.