Amph The thread to speculate about whats gonna happen in the remainder of "A Song of Ice and Fire"

My suspicion is that Jon is the Prince of Ice and Fire and that Dani is Azor Ashai reborn.

 

Regarding Loras Tyrell's injury, I too think it's a ruse. It was just so convenient that what happened to him was what Cersei wanted to happen.

Also, you will remember that it was Taena Merryweather who brings up the subject of Queen Margaery having to choose only a member of the Kingsguard. Once Cersei falls into the trap of insisting on the rule she dooms herself. Loras Tyrell can return to champion Margaery (since she's to be tried first), but who will champion Cersei?


I'm really excited over how Dany is going to react to all these suitors and Westerosi headed her way. I confess I've not been that interested with her story so far, but having Tyrion and the Ironborn brothers around is going to make things interesting.

And the whole Dorne thing I just love. Quite a big deal was made of the Gold Company's termination of their contract with one of the cities, I reckon these exiles/ex-pats are going with Dany's army back home.

 

I am curious as to what exactly Jaime's role will be.


And I wish Maester Aemon could have lived to meet his niece.

 

I get the impression that the story is going to go through plenty more twists and turns before the end. If you think about how much has changed between the end of AGOT and the end of AFFC, then try imagining how many more tricks GRRM is going to pull out of his hat before the end. Also, the first half of the series was the buildup. The big conclusion is really going to be throwing things for a loop.

I think that it is too early to predict how the story will come to an end, or what any of the characters will be doing when A Time for Wolves rolls around (And that title really has to be a givaway as to how the series is going to turn out) Just looking at the Appendix, we get some idea of how much story we have yet to even begin looking at. We haven't seen anything of House Hightower, the Florents still haven't played a major role, the Outlaws will be major players before the endgame, and there are dozens of major characters that we've only had a glimpse at, if that.

Anyway, I don't think that Brienne has even come close to croaking her last. Remember, at the end of her last chapter, as she's hanging, she manages to say one word, which is not revealed to us. Just a few paragraphs before, Zombie Catelyn gives her a choice, take the sword and kill Jaime, or take the rope and die right there. All she had to do was say "Sword" or "Rope". I wouldn't put money on her secret last word being "Rope". Also, I highly doubt that Zombie Catelyn meant that as a test, or had any benevolent thoughts at all. She always was a slimy, hard character. She just managed to hide it rather well for a while. After watching Robb die and then get killed herself, I don't think that there's any good left in her.

Cersei has been too big of a character for her to go out so easily. She'll be back, and she still has to be brought low by a more beautiful, younger woman. Margaery hardly fits this description, but Sansa and Dany (more likely Sansa) would have more than enough reason to go after Cersei in particular.

Littlefinger, of course, is far from finished. He's engineered most everything that's happened so far. He'll have his day in the sun, but I don't think that he intends to be king himself. More likely he'll be the power behind the throne.

What about that Doran Martell? He seems like he's got more than a bit of Littlefinger in him. I wouldn't be surprised if he joined the ranks of the great puppetmasters before the end. We've got a long way to go before we can really speculate about how the story will turn out.

 

Also, I highly doubt that Zombie Catelyn meant that as a test, or had any benevolent thoughts at all. She always was a slimy, hard character. She just managed to hide it rather well for a while. After watching Robb die and then get killed herself, I don't think that there's any good left in her.

It's immaterial whether ZombieCat is, or ever was, benevolent. All it would take to devise such a test is brains, which I for one don't doubt she has.

 

I think that Jaime will be a hero. His story seems to be one of redemption. It's possible that we might get more in the way of Martin curveballs. But I think that he's going to be able to write himself a history that he can be proud of, so that some hundred years later children will hear about Ser Jaime the same way that they hear about Ser Dayne or the Dragonknight.


For myself, I wish that Aemon had realized who Jon's parents were.

 

http://www.georgerrmartin.com/nextbook.html


The hardcover of A FEAST FOR CROWS has now been released in both the US and the UK, just in case some of you have been visiting Mars for the past fhalf year. I have been touring all over the place and signing thousands of copies, but with the conclusion of my Canadian book tour last week, that's all done. I am back home again, and back at work.

With the FEAST served, next up is A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. This is the only place to find reliable information on DANCE. Please do not believe anything you might read anywhere else about release dates, completion, or page count. Until the book is actually finished and delivered, all that is just guesswork... and when it is finished and delivered you will read it here first.

A DANCE WITH DRAGONS will feature all the characters that you (and I) missed in A FEAST FOR CROWS. Jon, Tyrion, Davos, Dany, and Bran will all be present with major storylines, and toward the end of the novel Arya will appear as well, as will Asha Greyjoy. There will also be one new viewpoint character debuting and one old returning, giving me a total of nine POVs, plus the usual prologue.

The greater part of DANCE will take place at the same time as the events chronicled in FEAST... but though the two novels will run in parallel, there's nothing to prevent one parallel line from extending beyond its fellow, and the DANCE should indeed take the action beyond the end of FEAST. Just how far beyond remains to be seen, and will depend in large part on the page count when the new volume reaches the point where the last one ended. IF (and only if) I have the room, it is possible that I may drop in on a few more of the protagonists of FEAST towards the end of DANCE.

As of this writing, A DANCE WITH DRAGONS consists of some twenty-two finished chapters totalling 542 manuscript pages, plus another 100 to 150 pages of partial chapters, early drafts, scenes, and fragments. Some of that material will need to be revised, and of course much more remains to be written. My hope is to bring the book in at around 1200 to 1300 pages.

And before anyone writes me asking, yes, there is a third Dunk and Egg novella in the works as well. It's maybe three-quarters done, and sometime soon I want to find the time to finish that one too.

Anyway, that's how things stand at the end of January. I will try and update again around the beginning of April.


?George R.R. Martin, January 24, 2006



Hooray. Sounds like he is a bit more than half done. I also think it is neat that Dance may extend beyond the timeline of Feast. All of these narrators I think were to be expected, except for Arya and Asha Greyjoy. I am very curious to know what Asha is up to after the Kingsmoot. What I am probably most curious about though is where Tyrion has been. My guess is he'll be getting as far away from Westeros as possible. I wonder if he'll end up with Dany too? That would be crazy. Also I am very much looking forward to see what Bran has been up to. Hooray Dance for Dragons! Since Dance features all of my favorite narrators and it is rather mysterious what those narrators have been doing, I think this is going to be an excellent continuation of the series.

 

I was thinking on Ayra while I was reading Feast of Crows and it seems that she is being pushed towards something bigger than revenge while maybe not becoming a king or queen I do remember thinking in one of the previous books that she would do well in the nightwatch even though it's men only. She's wily enough and has the skills to lead people if she tried.

Although it could very well be wishful thinking on my part.

As for Cersei's downfall the signs seem to be pointing at danearys to be ther one to bring her downfall in a direct way. But then again you see Cersei's reactions to the growing number of Tyrell's in her court how her fear and hubris ppush her into the actions she takes. Some of which are bloody stupid lol.


I have one question to raise up which I think is due to my bad memory more than anything else.
Is Prince Rheagar actually dead? In reading Feast of Crows thats what I started wondering I was fairly certain that he had died but then some unasked questions came up and I became confused.
Can anyone shed some light?

 

Rhaegar was killed on the Trident by Robert in the battle that preceeded the sack of Kings Landing.

Here is a super neat painting of that fight:

[image=http://www.geocities.com/matthiassfantasycafe/shtuff/RRfinal.jpg]

 

The Song of Ice and Fire Art book is amazing, I highly recommend it.

And i would love nothing more than to see Arya become a huge character in Westeros. She is my favorite!

 

I wonder if the one returning POV is going to be Theon.

I hope so.

 

Theon? Isn't he dead?

 

I think he's one of the 'mysterious fate' people....we haven't seen him since the sack of Winterfell, other than Bolton's claim to have his finger skin. So he could be anywhere.

 

AB: I personally think that Bolton just took Theon captive.

Is there a link for somemore artwork anywhere?

 

This site has a lot of great stuff:

http://amoka.net/eng/gal/

 

Also in the book "The Art of A Song of Ice and Fire" there is a whole bunch of neat paintings, for every part of Westeros!

 

Thanks for the site!

Ya know someone mentioned earlier on this page if Rhaegar died at the Trident. Well upon reading Feast at one point Brienne is at that monestary talking to the high priest and he was telling her the story of Sandor(which I don't think is true) but the way he was going on about how he died and was reborn or whatever I was at first thinking he was going to be Rhaegar from just the way he was telling her his story.

Anyone else think that at first?

 

I definately think that Rhaegar is dead. It seems too sudden of a change to bring this character whose death has been established since practically the beginning of book 1, and considering how the actions of so many of the characters depends upon him being dead. He's no ordinary abbot, though, and I think that he'll prove to be an influential character before it's all said and done.

As for Sandor, though, I think that he's the new gravedigger at the monastery, and that he'll have a role before the end is over. Martin spent too much time building him up from a villain into a sympathetic hero to just throw him away so easily.

Speaking of which, I'm predicting that Brienne and Tyrion will be meeting up before they end. They seem to be birds of a feather: Social outcasts because of the way they look, not because of how they act; both are mostly benevolent and beneficient, and are both skilles warriors, as unlikely as that seem, and most importantly, both of them have a nasty habit of getting progressively uglier as the series goes on, typically through horrendous wounds to the face.

 

Just read his update. Do you think we might get a release this year?

 

When i went to the book signing in... novemember? he said he was aiming for a 2006 release for dance.

 

Hooray. If Dance was released in 2006 that would be the best. Probably it would still be late 2006 though, but then that would mean the next book would be around 2008, which isn't so bad.

 

Found this on Amazon. Anyone has info on what George Martin's Thread of Excellence is about?

I can't read any posts here for another year at best, so please PM me if you know, thanks!

 

Well isn't that mysterious!

 

I definitely do not think Brienne is dead. I also have no idea what the magic word she said was. Perhaps it was a name, and not a word?

I agree with those who think the "young queen" who has been prophesized to destroy Cersei is Dany. It just seems to make a lot of sense.

Also, Jaime's character does seem to be turning a lot more to an oathkeeper now. He's annoyed at being remembered as the Kingslayer, and seems to be trying to be loyal - even though nobody trusts him. I think he'll have a large role in whatever ends up happening in the storyline.

 

No way Brienne is dead. Lady Catelyn will come to her sense at the end.