Discussion in 'Archive: The Arena' started by JediCouncilMember, Aug 30, 2007.
Yes, the JC league...
Where Carson Palmer scored 90 fantasy points.
and Brett Favre had 60.
anyway, Saro, I got 31 points from Donovan last week when he went 15 for 33 for 184 yards, a touchdown and a pick.
15 points for his completions.
9 for the yards.
6 for the touchdown.
-2 for the INT
-1 for the one time he got sacked
and 4 for his 4 rushing attempts.
That's a crappy, crappy game... but the JC league doesn't care! So even if he has just as bad a game as that, I'll win... hopefully he won't do worse.
My league's a little tougher because incompletions (-1.5) can negate completions (+1), especially in my case this week: Romo was only 14-29, so I only got points for his yards and TDs.
I hope McNabb passes like crazy. I'm up 11 in my pay league and have Westbrook going against me. Then again, I was up 16 before LT went up against me last night, so you never know. I have a feeling I've already dodged one bullet; I don't think I'll be able to dodge the other one. Of course I deserve to lose for being stuck with Grossman who was easily outscored by a guy who spent most of the game on the sidelines with a concussion.
Yeah, I have Brees in the JC league and in my work league...he's been fantastic in the JC league, and a complete, utter bust in my work league.
I don't know why McNabb hates me.
first 4th and 26, and now he only has 19 points for me so far... he needs to throw a TD... or complete 9 passes in the 4th quarter.
Well, they're down by eleven with less than ten minutes to go...so he'll be completing alot of passes.
EDIT: Just checked my stat tracker...you're only down by two...you're golden.
EDIT #2: You're damned lucky that Vader's left Jacobs in by mistake...you could've been buried had he/she started a proper running back.
EDIT #3: You're officially in the lead. Barring a disastrous collapse by McNabb, you should have your first fantasy victory.
Yeah, I noticed the Jacobs thing yesterday. Me be happy.
And yeah, McNabb finally had a good drive. If my calculations are correct, he's got 30 points for me tonight... so I'll need at least one more completion, and no moew sacks or any interceptions.
Check my third edit...you're up by one.
the scoring in the jc league is pretty ridiculous. i complained before the season started but no one else seemed to mind. but hey, i'm in first place!
I had never played before so I didn't know whether it was good or bad... but I agree with you now... Player that suck but get a lot of touches a game will probably score more points in this league then some elite players.
I don't think the scoring is ridiculous at all. The strategy is different in comparison to other leagues, because of comps/receps/carries equalling points...and you're rewarded if you're paying attention and playing players that touch the ball alot. The managers that drafted well and are paying attention to how certain players are performing do well...and those that don't typically tank. That's how I see it, anyway. *shrugs*
EDIT: And "sucky players" don't get alot of touches....they most likely hardly ever see the ball, much less touch it.
Take Brees for example...he's underperforming compared to last year...but he's still completing many passes, which is far from "sucky."
Edgerrin James sucked ass last year, averaged only like 3.4 a carry, but got a crapload of touches. He would've done great in the JC league though.
Yep, and that's the strategy in the JC league. Draft guys that touch the ball often and pay attention to how they're performing...whether or not they're injured, etc, and you'll be golden.
And I'm not sure if I would be sounding off about how comps/receps/touches should or shouldn't garner you points in this league...because you would've lost had McNabb not had a ton of completions on Monday night...because he had zero TD passes and minimal yardage.
I had a horrible week.
i'm complaining even though i'm in first place. i understand that it's a "different strategy" and all, but having a league where a winning strategy is playing a bunch of crappy players who touch the ball a lot is pretty ridiculous imo.
I wouldn't call it "crappy players" who touch the ball a lot. It's just knowing the workhorses and taking advantage of it. If you look at the top 25 scorers in the league, there aren't any crappy players on the list. There are a few who have probably overperformed because of the scoring, just like there are a few who have underperformed. Just find the teams with the large over/under numbers each week!
Name five "crappy players" that get twenty+ touches per game.
i'm not going to do that, though i'm fairly sure i could with a small amount of research. but i'm just looking at my own team and why i'm in first place, and i see steve smith who has been a monster with over two hundred seventy yards and four touchdowns already, who is being outscored in fantasy points by carnell williams with his 36 carries for 120 yards, zero touchdowns, and a fumble lost. you're telling me that's not just a little bit ridiculous?
I'm not in the JC league but that does sound a bit odd.
RB's are already the most important position (in any league) and by rewarding any touch you make them even more valuable.
There is no reason to draft a WR until like RD 5 or later (if scoring any touch).
Even with the Time-share running back like in NO or Wash, the RB will get about 15 carries for 60 yds = 21 pts.
Now an elite WR will get about 8-10 catches for 120-150 = 20 to 25pts. That means a 3rd or 4th tier RB scores essentailly the same as #1 WR.
In the league I'm in, WRs get +1 for every catch over 6 and QB's get +1 for every 5 completions over 5, and RB's don't get squat for carries.
Running backs are scored at a point per 10 yds while WR's are at a point per 20. RB's being more valuable is actually quite common in many leagues. And though I don't know his yearly total, I'm almost positive Cadillac had at least two TD's last weekend alone.
yeah okay, he did have two tds. but still a point for every carry is silly. that's all i'm saying.
I'm sort of torn on it. It is definitely different from any other league I've been in. But I do enjoy the challenge of trying to adapt to the scoring system.
I remember one of Bill Simmons podcasts (The Sports Guy on ESPN for those that don't know) right before the start of the season he talked about the need for a universal FF scoring system. His reasoning was that every time you want to talk or brag about your team you first have to explain the scoring system in your league and it kind of kills the whole discussion before you really get going cause nobody wants to stand around and listen to the build up, and by the time you get to the point about how great your win was nobody cares anymore.
I thought it was a good point.
If it would be so easy to find five players that are "crappy" and still get twenty plus touches per game, why is it that you don't even know the stats for players on your own team? Cadillac has two TD's, as Intrepid pointed out. If you're going to smart-assily sluff off such an easy challenge, at least become better informed. Also, would that imply that Carnell = a "crappy player"? Because his stats would be much better, had he not hurt his ribs in Week One and had to sit half the game.
Bottom line is this: Crappy players don't see a ton of touches, the workhorses do...and every last one of them is a good player. I can understand if you don't like how the scoring is set up...that's your opinion and you're entitled to it...but it isn't necessarily a hindrance to the league, unless you're someone who has no clue how to draft or manage your team.
Plus, you're in first place, most likely because of the scoring system, so you may want to lay low with your complaints.
EDIT: And one more thing....this is to the manager of Vader's Raiders...if you're reading this...dude...dudette...whichever...you need to replace Brandon Jacobs. He's out for five weeks...you probably would've won last week had you put a different back in, and you'd be 2-0. It sucks to see people handing victories to others. Thank you.