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Senate The US Politics discussion

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Dec 6, 2012.

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  1. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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  2. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    well yeah i thought that was a bit obvious to even be worth bringing up. people either accept that the goal is keeping america white, (some think this is a wrong headed goal, and others think there's nothign wrong with itbecause... tradition. or something Obi-Zahn Kenobi) or they delude themselves that latinos are simply "different"/"unwilling to assimilate" in spite of all sociological evidence to the contrary that the latino immigrant population of the last few decades have been assimilating at a faster rate than any preceding wave of immigration. people like that are immune to reality and unlikely to have thier mind changed by arguement on a star wars message board. not that THAT'S ever stopped us, but sometimes i get tired of argueing with a brick wall
     
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  3. beezel26

    beezel26 Jedi Master star 7

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    You can report him to the cops and you bet they will show up to give him a big fine.
     
  4. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    You should get some kind of whistleblower's fee for denouncing a neighbor.
     
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  5. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    There are no water restrictions in the state of California because the governor and legislature apparently want to rule the Sahara. I could leave my faucet on 24/7 as long as the bill got paid.
     
  6. beezel26

    beezel26 Jedi Master star 7

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    Its funny how California is running into a problem yet places that get very little have been able to cope because they put in building codes that allow for it. In Australia most new houses require rain water collection systems. Plus certain times you are allowed to water your lawn if you can.
    Oh and rain water really tastes great. its better then bottled water.
     
  7. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The American Way of Life is not negotiable.
     
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  8. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    But I need my swimming pool, my lawn, my garden of pretty tropical plants, my three water fountains, my high-flow toilets, and my half-hour twice-daily showers! I have my vanity to protect.
     
  9. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, water conservation is as un-American as clean air and stable climates.

    We need to be warmer, drier and dirtier in our McMansions, dammit. I gotta gun with a scope, I can still shoot people across my three-foot-square yard even if it is 130 degrees with high levels of smog. Especially if I sit on top of my Hummer. [face_flag]
     
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  10. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The strife over our current immigration might be race-related. Not sure. To be fair, Canada doesn't have the economic or drug-related issues Mexico does have. But it could be about race. It wouldn't be the first time.

    But historically, immigrant strife was less about race: the irish and german immigrants in the mid-1800s fought in the NoEast all the time against and amongst each other. It was more religious and sectarian.
     
  11. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I married a third-generation Italian-American; he had no personal experience with being called a "wop" but his father did. Not sure if the issue with Italian immigrants was religious or if it was economic, regarding the immigrants "taking" jobs and other resources from those who were here "first."

    If I'm right, it sounds vaguely familiar...not with jobs, as many undocumented immigrants do work that few native-born Americans want, and will do it for obscenely low wages. But...resources and "culture", with the immigrants bringing in a way of life that is "non traditional".
     
  12. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    ShaneP thats PART of the picture, but not only were older waves of immigration (protestants) reluctant to have irish (catholics) but they adopted the racial ideology of the british empire, wherein irish were essentially racialised as "white negros" at the time. acceptance of irish in the united states as "white" -- and its often useful to examine racial politics in the united states as containing two essential classes: unmarked (white) and marked (non-white) -- didnt come until after catholocism had been mainstreamed to a great extent. noel ignatiev's "How the Irish Became White" is an esssential book on this topic

    italians followed the same general path/pattern as irish. other groups that were/almost were late-comers to the whiteness party, such as jews and arabs, present a more complicated picture
     
  13. Mr44

    Mr44 VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    $1.05
     
  14. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    True. I do remember cartoons depicting that "white negro" caricature through the Civil War and before. And even with the mainstreaming of catholicism we've still only had a single catholic president. The mistrust ran deep.
     
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  15. Vaderize03

    Vaderize03 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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  16. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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  17. J-Rod

    J-Rod Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I can't let this stand unchallenged. There is a difference between infrastructure and personal services/property.

    I went and EARNED my health insurance. Now, I completely agree with a safety net. And I feel that we have one. But what I don't agree with is making the insurance of 6 people weaker and more expensive so that 1 person can have insurance. Where is the line between taking care of our most vulnerable citizens and enabling people to just live off the system. Where is the reward for going out and slaying the dragon each and every day when the slacker watching MTV has comparable care? Education is kind of the same deal. Where is the line between basic education and personal responsibility for higher education?

    We like to say that healthcare is a right. And it is, to the point that if you want to make it a goal no one can say you can't.

    Having a home is a right too. But the government isn't obligated to give it to you.

    This isn't the same as a power grid. Or a sewage system. Or law enforcement.

    Did I, or even Bill Gates, make it on my own? Looking at the tax rates, those that "made it" are contributing. IE: Did UPS make the roads? No. But the registration for all those trucks is. The taxes the employees are payng is. The cars bought with the wages their employees earn are being registered and paying for the roads. You, liberal arts college students, didn't do anything for UPS. They don't owe you a thing.

    Pffft...hipsters.
     
  18. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    You're not slaying any dragons, you're slaying other Americans. For financial gain.

    Perhaps one day that behavior won't be considered acceptable anymore.
     
  19. J-Rod

    J-Rod Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Can you tell me how I'm slaying other Americans for finacial gain? And what would be the better option than to get a good job and work like hell?
     
  20. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    To use a cliche, good jobs don't grow on trees. And with the rising cost of living, more money is being tied up in rent (which is also rising) and food so it's imperative that we help poorer people with healthcare or they're not going to be able to afford it.

    And lol at that "some slacker watching MTV comment"
     
  21. I Are The Internets

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    Hasn't the job market somewhat improved in the last 2 years?
     
  22. J-Rod

    J-Rod Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I can understand that. But don't you know that my bills are also going up? Doesn't it matter that my discretionary income I use for savings, retirement and entertainment is also dwindling? (Let's be honest, I'm not actually rich but we're pulling down just over 100K. And from where I've come from that's pretty damn well off.)

    And the question stills stands: If the employed and unemployed are receiving similar goods and services then what is the incentive to work?
     
  23. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Apparently the government is not supposed to hire anyone to work for it either, given his obvious disdain for state employees. Remember, I don't actually earn money, and he fell in love with his wife despite her having a government job. [face_laugh]

    So...eliminate all government jobs, millions more slackers watching MTV*, sounds like a plan.

    ...I'd watch Netflix, my government job doesn't pay me enough for cable.

    Yes.

    And LOL at the idea that the employed and unemployed are receiving similar goods and services.

    People work for wages and in a career job, personal fulfillment. Statistically the majority of people on public assistance are only on it temporarily and for survival. The idea of generations of people permanently on public assistance is nothing more than a Fox News talking point.
     
  24. J-Rod

    J-Rod Jedi Grand Master star 6

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  25. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    So have I imagined your disdain for everyone who holds one?
     
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