JCC The U.S. Politics thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Dec 6, 2012.

  1. Obi-Zahn Kenobi Chosen One

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    No, I'm not saying all rebellions are morally unjustified. Just most of them, and definitely this one in particular. If your grave abuses consist of failing to allow people to smuggle tea, and taxing people to lay off the debt for a war they started, you're nor really all that tyrannical a government.

    Rebellons usually results in a government that's just as bad with the added bonus of lots of pain, suffering, and death - especially for the common man.

    As for the United States, it got lucky. An unjust rebellion made a country which is actually pretty nice to live in. I am definitely not advocating that we rebel against this "illegitimate" government and return ourselves to the Crown (most governments start out with some degree of illegitimacy). Current American Presidents, as far as I am concerned, represent a lawful government, so I afford them the honor and respect that a nation's leader deserves.
  2. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    Oh so you weren't just kidding around.

    Eh, oh well. Oops?
  3. Blithe Force Ghost

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    @Obi-Zahn Kenobi: That's probably true to an extent if those were your only abuses as a government.
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  4. Juliet316 Chosen One

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  5. Yodaminch Force Ghost

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    So this past week, my university had an event by Senator Murphy about gun control. Senator Blumenthal, Congresswoman Esty, Governor Malloy and Vice President Biden were in attendance. I was fortunate enough to see them speak on stage. The Vice President gave an excellent speech.
  6. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    The current gun control push by the Dems is a waste of time. They need way, way more political capital than they currently have to even get middling gun reform to pass and to work. As it stands now, it just seems like cynical exploitation of the recent shootings to mollify the Left base.
  7. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    *invests political capital in the asian grain markets*
  8. Ghost Chosen One

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  9. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Punishment for not toeing the party line and declaring Obama the Communist Antichrist.
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  10. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Or maybe they just wanted to save some donuts for everyone else, amirite?
  11. Alpha-Red Force Ghost

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    Err, did those shootings not warrant a response of some sort? And there is a solid majority of Americans, including gun owners, who support stronger gun control measures, it's just that Republicans are being bankrolled by the NRA, who in turn are being bankrolled by gun manufacturers who abhor the loss of business opportunities the same way that Big Tobacco did.
  12. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    hey ghost remember when you were all oh gee herman cain sure is reasonable and cool and stuff? this christie thing of yours is going to turn out exactly the same

    just so you know
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  13. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    I assume you mean, "Something that would actually succeed" and not "vapid gestures to score points."

    Also, no way Christie turns out to be insane. I know his personality type. He seems both self-aware and like a decent person. I would never vote for him, but still.
  14. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    There is actually a pretty strong Congressional consensus building around the push for universal background checks. I also think you'd be pretty hard pressed to argue that this would be of no use at all. So what exactly are you on about?
  15. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    im not suggesting he's (any more) insane (and sociopathic than any other successful late-american politician), just a giant ******* and ultimately wont be as good at hiding it when the spotlight gets turned up high enough
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  16. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    This is an intuition thing, Wocky. And yeah, even universal background checks would be pretty weaksauce if that is all he got passed, given that it wouldn't have done anything to stop either Columbine or (iirc) Newtown. Symbolic gesture, and likely to fan the flames of "Obama wants to take our guns away" fervor that could help propel the Repubs out of their Tartarus-like hole of despair and defeat. It meshes with the narrative that Obama was waiting for his second term to reveal his full Stalinist intentions.
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  17. Blithe Force Ghost

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    But I thought we Americans view an angry white man with superficial accomplishments as a potentially great leader? :(
  18. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    a lot of americans do but an increasing amount arent buying it once the facade slips enough for the media to get in there and generate some schadenfreude. its sad that thats were we draw the lines and not, ya know, conducting drone wars to secure corporate interests, but ya know... fml
  19. Blithe Force Ghost

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    Speaking of corporate interests, it looks like Myanmar continues to open up bit by bit. There's a lot of potential for positive change, but I've learned not to get my hopes up.
  20. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Are you just redder than a tomato now, Rogue Ten?
  21. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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  22. Blithe Force Ghost

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  23. Emperor_Billy_Bob Chosen One

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    Red is the color traditionally associated with Socialist and or Communist politics.
  24. Jabba-wocky Chosen One

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    What sort of standard is "preventing Newtown and Columbine?" Is there absolutely no worth in trying to get a handle on the thousands of other gun crimes that take place each year? From the beginning, the argument was never about only this one specific incident being disturbing. It was that this incident was a seminal, arresting moment that drew attention to a larger problem. Thus the ample references to the wider pattern of gun violence. Thus the explicit comparisons to how many "Newtown's" worth of killings there are a month in inner-city Chicago. It is the larger problem they are trying to tackle, and I see no reason to think tightening background checks wouldn't help with that. If anything is cynical, it is not the policy proposals, on the table, but imagining things so narrowly that one suggests the only thing worth tackling is the most immediate manifestation of the problem.
  25. Rogue_Ten Chosen One

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    oh i thought you meant i should be embarrassed over what blithe said or something. yes i am a socialist