Senate The US Politics discussion

He cost Gore the election, Evan. There's no getting around it. It's just math, and also common sense. Whatever Gore's failings were as a candidate, they would have been moot if Nader hadn't been running. A lot of people dead today would be alive if Gore had run without Nader siphoning votes from him.

You think she's really going to do much about that in office, barring massive outside pressure?

Yes. It's an ideal bipartisan meeting around. Look what just happened in Nebraska. That's the death penalty, not mass incarceration, but we could go further and look at places and people on the Republican side that have spoken out against mass incarceration.

Edit: The "lesser of two evils" is the way our system is set up. That's just how it is. If we don't want it to be that way, we need to switch to a parliamentary system. I share your ideals, Evan, but not your willingness for protest votes or talk without recognizing reality. If Clinton is the nominee in 2016, you better believe I'll vote for her. No hesitation whatsoever. She'll nominee liberal Supreme Court justices and we'll all be better off for it.

 

and if gore had been a better candidate nader running would have been moot. you can do this in circles all day.

 

It's stupid partisan nonsense to blame an outside actor for something that was Gore's own fault. And there's no reason to think that Gore wouldn't have bungled into a few poor-people-murdering situations of his own (like continuing the sanctions on Iraq, for example). It's something that both parties do very well.

EDIT after tom's like: I compromise on my ideals every day. I don't have a choice. Otherwise I'd pretty much starve to death (thanks for my food, abused migrant workers). At some point I decided to not accept compromise-- or at least try to avoid it-- when I do have a choice.

 

I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

This was a funny op-ed. Apparently what Lindsey Graham and Mark Kirk have presented as the demands of a "better deal" with Iran than what Obama has been able to achieve is actually less stringent than the terms the administration has won in the current framework that they're criticizing. Meaning that, as the article puts it, either they're on Iran's side or they don't know what they're talking about.

 

Former House Speaker indicted

 

The problem was not that Gore did not win, because he did not lose.
The problem was (and is) that not enough people vote for another party.

 

I agree with Watto. The insane Republicans and lame Democrats are a diarchy that we have outgrown. It would be nice if both could be replaced.

 

For that to happen, we would need to:

1) Eliminate the Electoral College
2) Overturn Citizens United and constitutionally limit the amount of money spent in our elections
3) Go to an open primary process for all political parties, which would help dilute the crazy to a more tolerable level.

I see about as much chance of that happening, however, as Lord Sidious winning an election as a write-in candidate.

Peace,

V-03

 

Republicans would vote for Lord Sidious. He said the magic words: "I love democracy; I love the Republic." They'd eat that up.

 

I'd vote for Lord Sidious as well.

 

Throw in a "I love God" and "I love guns" and you've got yourself a GOP frontrunner!

 

My thoughts to the Biden family.

 

That's sad. I echo what Juliet and Anakinfan said. I love Biden and his family.

 

this is very sad

 

Beau Biden: Veteran, Attorney General, and Time Traveler.

Good job CNN. Always in haste to be the first to get news out; never double checking or editing, no matter the story.

 

Yes, very much so. Worth a look back on one of the great errors of our time: http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/07/were-getting-wildly-differing-assessments/

Still unbelievable to me that that entire thing could become academic next month, but I guess that's the country we live in. Sad to read about Beau Biden-- bummer all around.

 

Prayers to the Biden family.

Beau was too young.

Peace,

V-03

 

An even more uncharitable interpretation of that CNN mistake is they had a pre-written obituary for Beau, and, in their haste, forgot to fill in the year of the date. Note that they've gotten in trouble with their collection of pre-obituaries before. They're lucky they didn't have it written as 201X, or it'd really be obvious.

Very interesting link. I read SCOTUSblog on occasion, but I missed this entry and it's a great look behind the scenes.

 

I still have the headline saved as a pic under "Dewey Beats Truman" on my PC.

 

you know half my politicians in upstate NY could easily move down to the south and do so much better then southern republicans. And I am not talking about Upstate democrats I am talking about upstate republicans.

Hey, they might be carpet baggers but they aint bat crap crazy.

 

Our republicans are moderates that I am sure the tea partiers would flip out about.