Senate The US Politics discussion

Depends on who it is. I work with two interventional cardiologists who are both Pakistani Muslims by birth, both American citizens, and both anti-Islamist. The government would have a hard time labeling either one of them a terrorist, and I'm pretty sure the majority of Jews and Christians who practice with them on the medical staff would come to their defense, if need be.

I really hope Trump and Bannon aren't so stupid as to try mass Muslim detention, but--oh, wait, what am I saying?

I would actually expect to see some kind of push to try and restrict gun ownership by Muslims first, or even an attempt at confiscation, before internment. The only wild card would be a nuclear detonation on American soil. If that happens, all bets are off, for everyone.

That would be a stupid belief to have. Nothing is irreversible. ​

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Entropy? Death?​

 

Are you talking about the survival of the political structure, or about reversal of popular opinion and reconciliation toward consensus? Because the latter is always possible. An example is Liberia, where after a brutal civil war, life moves on and across the country are people who continue to live on the same street as a guy who butchered their brother or husband.

Vaderize03 To quote an Enderism: why must you take to extremes a simple concept? Are you being deliberately obtuse?

 

I was referring to the political system.

 

Have you ever read his poetry? It is actually quite sad; reads like a young boy, struggling with his environment and acceptance at being gay. Milo never talks about his family. I'm guessing this is where the anger lies.

 

I imagine he'd start off slowly, using the "frog in boiling water analogy" - first, banning immigration from Muslim majority countries. Next (after the next inevitable terrorist attack on US soil), registering all Muslims and stripping away citizenship rights like owning guns, voting, etc. Then after another terrorist attack, internment camps.

My friend's mother was interned in the Japanese internment camps. Her mother and father ran the local pharmacy and were well liked by everyone in the town. They were third generation Japanese. Every single person - friends, neighbours, co-workers, turned a blind eye when they were rounded up and their property sold. I spoke to her recently and she said witnessing what she saw on the apathy of her fellow citizens fills her with no hope about what's to come. It's not even the perpetrators we have to worry about the most - it's the bystanders who will stand by and let it happen.

 

Personally, I’ve always thought we need to replace the Electoral College with a two-round system. Here’s how that'd work.

You have the 1st round, and let’s say you have 5-10 people running. If any candidate manages to win a majority of the popular vote, then that person becomes President. If no one wins a majority of the popular vote, then it goes into Round 2, wherein the 2 candidates who got the most votes face off against each other.

That way, you can vote Libertarian or Green or whatever to your heart’s content without worrying about the spoiler effect. In fact, since nobody would worry about that, many more people might be willing to vote third party, and you could even end up with a few cases where Round 2 ends up featuring a Libertarian or a Green.

 

Oops. I forgot the actual vid.



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Tucker Carlson used an actor to fill in for the "Not My President" protest organizer

Maybe he was tricked?

 

Yup.

Granted, this may backfire on him since conservatives and alt-right folk only liked him because he trolled liberals. They have plenty of people who can do that, so they don't really need him anymore.

 

these are irreversible

 

Lighten up, Francis (bonus points if you can guess the movie ).

Seriously, I was just poking fun. This thread needs that sometimes.

 

Who do you want to win the DNC chairmanship?

(they are having their second debate tomorrow on CNN, and then the DNC votes this Friday or Saturday)

The top contenders seem to be:


Tom Perez
-seen as the "establishment" pick
-Obama's Labor Secretary, on Hillary's VP shortlist
-former Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights
-former Labor Secretary of Maryland


Keith Ellison
-seen as the "Bernie Sanders" pick, also has the support of Schumer, Pelosi, and other DC Democrats
-US Congressman from Minnesota
-first Muslim-American elected to Congress back in 2006 (born Catholic, converted to Sunni Islam in college)
-former Minnesota State Representative
-early supporter of the Sanders 2016 campaign
-cochair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus


Pete Buttigieg
-support from both the Ellison/Sanders and Perez/Obama/Clinton wings
-Mayor of his hometown South Bend, Indiana and has overseen its economic recovery
-US Navy, served in Afghanistan
-Rhodes Scholar Oxford and Harvard graduate
-won the JFK "Profiles in Courage" national essay contest in high school with his essay on Bernie Sanders, also high school valedictorian
-first openly-gay politician in Indiana
-served as a presidential campaign policy specialist and researcher for Kerry in '04
-said to have "won" the first DNC chair debate




(I think Buttigieg or Ellison should win)

 

Guys I've figured something out.
Some clown on FB linked to a documentary by a certain Ami Horowitz. He made a feature-length documentary before, discrediting the UN.
This documentary was all about how a certain suburb of Sweden is in the grip! of! Islamic! immigrants!. This guy Horowitz claims to have been physically abused while making the documentary (around the 10-minute mark - strangely enough, the camera was turned off). He appeared on Hannity to talk about it, and this is what Trump saw.

I thought I'd watch the documentary to see if it's maybe biased. Seeing how this Horowitz characters displays pics of him hugging Hannity on his front page. The first Swedish person he interviews is a ms. Annika Hernroth-Rothstein, who Wikipedia says "writes on the Middle East, religious affairs, and global anti-Semitism. She is also a strong pro-Israeli activist in Sweden and organizes annual solidarity with Israel parades in that country."

Anybody see a pattern here?

 

My order of preference:

1. Keith Ellison
2. Pete Buttigieg
3. Tom Perez

 

If the GOP could get away with Obama is a secret Muslim, doesn't it seem like they could be even more effective with that message when they can say that the Democratic party is being run by an open Muslim?

 

Or you could just adopt preference voting and better systems from other countries?

 

If all three candidates are equal, maybe they should do what is most politically acceptable. I'm not saying that's so. I'm just suggesting that as a possibility.

I guess I go with Tom Perez. He has the most experience in DC and worked as a consumer advocate, which I like, and has a lot of experience with civil rights and voting rights, which probably will play a big role in future elections.

Also, with Ellison as the leader of the progressive caucus, would he be more likely to be biased, if only subconsciously, in their favor?

 

The most important thing is all three are good candidates; I prefer Perez, for his racial justice bonafides and labor background, but Ellison's a canny strategist (and his seat is secure when he resigns to take the DNC post) and fundraiser.

My only reason with not wanting Buttigieg is no guarantee if he resigned as mayor that his seat is safe.

 

Is the Mayor of South Bend that politically strategic?

 

It's not other than it's a college town in a red state, so voter depression is a real thing. As well, as a rising star in the party, it's probably better to get governance experience rather than party apparatus experience, though his military experience probably covers some of that.

 

Ghost, I want to preface this by saying I consider myself your friend.

But holy **** man are we really digging here. He won an essay contest in high school? I mean wow, that's resume material right here! I should run, my qualifications include being in the National Honor Society when I was in high school. Also here's my essays!

 

Yeah, though he is only 35 years old. I could definitely see him running for President or at least Governor/Senator/Congress some day, he's sure to have a bright future even if he doesn't win DNC Chair or faces some other setback.

It's something others have brought up to me a lot by Sanders supporters in real life. A national contest where he was honored by the Kennedy family, and it's brought up because of the subject of that essay: Bernie Sanders. (to show he was pro-Sanders before it was "cool")