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I'm sorry but Nerdling Writer 4m told me that they're all just racists.

 

I was told they're all rich.

 

My Austrian Airlines employee friend had to get a visa to travel to the U.S. after having been to Iraq on business. Anecdotally, she tells me that the transatlantic flights from Europe are a lot emptier than usual. A lot of potential reasons for this: 1)forget it, it's just an anecdote, 2) Trump has frightened away people who might attempt to fly in as tourists and then try to stay. 3) the strong dollar has made coming to the U.S. less attractive for visitors 4) Europeans are so disgusted with Trump they don't want to visit the U.S. as legitimate tourists.

It may end up being true that the key effect of the Trump presidency on illegal immigrants is as a psychological deterrent. Just the fact that he's president and is blowing a lot of hot air about immigration makes attempting to enter the country and stay illegally seem more risky.

It may also end up being true that Trump is so unpopular globally that his presidency will measurably hurt international tourism to the U.S.

 

Yeah, I'm not surprised.

There has been a lot of talk in the business media about a decline in a lot of travel to the US - which is probably what the ban was designed to do.

 

This is something that many Democrats (including myself.) always forget when it comes to the issue of coal jobs in those regions. It is not just about the pay and economics, but about culturally identity. I think that the only way to do anything in those regions is for local Democrats to start telling the truth about the future of coal. For example, WV has 52 elected Democratic officials and yet nearly all of them hold similar positions to their GOP counterparts when it comes to coal.

D's need to take a bottom/up approach when it comes to coal, instead of a top/down approach.

 

That is utterly hilarious.

 

The party of Reagan, people.

 

While we're on the subject of idiocy, is anyone else interested in the DNC vote that's coming this weekend? What are the odds that the Donkeys will continue to hand control over to the same Third Way imbeciles who led the party to disaster during the Obama years? If Perez beats Ellison, they'll be sending one mother of a middle finger to the progressives.

 

I am getting tired of some progressives spouting this nonsense.

Perez and Ellison pretty much agree on everything. Both want to bring back the 50-state strategy and focus on organization and neither believes that purging the party of moderates is the way to go.

 

It's because people like you and dp4m and other middle class democrats don't listen to your poor white constituents, call them racists, and infer Trump won because you think an average income is a good indicator and not indicative of the normalising effect very low and very high income can have.

In short, people like you also caused brexit, but haven't figured out your culpability yet.

 

That isn't fair, Ender.

I have never said all Trump voters are racist. I have said that they have decided that racism and bigotry was not disqualifying when it comes to Trump and that is true.

 

Because some of those voters have nothing. When you're at the very bottom of society, some individuals will resort to anything to improve their economic situation.

Go and re-watch Darth Guy's videos, especially the coal miners, and see the young man trying to provide for a wife and two young kids. Just wants a job that pays. That's it. He isn't going to listen to your progressive mantra about Trump, society or the world.

I've done years of political activism, knocked on doors and given the liberal message. "You really don't understand" is what I would hear from low paid or unemployed voters. And after Brexit and Trump it was very clear - I didn't understand them at all. In fact, I never use to bother really listening to them and would avoid the council estates. People like me, low middle class, well educated liberals are to blame.

When we talked about helping the poor, we really meant helping the middle classes - not the working poor.

As the Victorians use to say: if it's good enough for the middle classes, then it's good enough for the poor.

Turned out to be very, very wrong in the end.

 

No, he wants to be a coal miner (His family has been in the coal-mining business for generations.)

Democrats, on the national level, for years have talked about revitalizing the economies in these regions with job retraining, higher minimum wage, new investments in infrastructure and technology to help lure new industries into these areas. Despite all of this, Democrats have never made much in-roads in these areas of the country. I think many on the left are really sleeping on the culturally aspect of all this.

For me, my job is just a job. But for a lot of these people, it is their identity and naturally you are going to do anything to protect that, even if it means voting for a con-man like Donald Trump.

 

Is a coal miner a job that doesn't pay money in the US? Is it not a job?

Generally stumped by your objection.

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Desperate, but still racist. Understood. ​

 

The person on the left in this picture.
That's a Cole minor.

 

CNN, NY Times and other news outlets blocked from attending White House media briefing
From CNN's Sara Murray, Jeremy Diamond and Kevin Liptak:
The White House handpicked news organizations, beyond the pool, to attend Friday's gaggle with Press Secretary Sean Spicer, which was held instead of the White House press briefing.
CNN was not permitted to attend, along with the New York Times, Politico, Buzzfeed and much of the foreign press that regularly attends White House briefings.
NBC, ABC, and FOX were allowed in, along with CBS, who is Friday’s pool network. Breitbart, Washington Times, One America News Network also attended.
The Associated Press and TIME boycotted the gaggle.
There has been no explanation yet from the White House.


Just ridiculous and desperate on the part of Trump's administration.

 

It is a dying industry in the United States due to natural gases being safer and cheaper. There is nothing a Democrat, Trump, Republican etc. can do to reverse the trends. The best way to help guys like him is through job-retraining programs and a higher minimum wage and yet they don't want that. They want coal mining jobs, and we can't promise him that.

I am not talking about racism. I am talking about resistance to change when it comes to a changing economy in the United States.

 

It's a deliberate effort to create yet another media story about the Trump-media relationship to help feed the larger narrative of the media's war on Trump and by extension Trump voters.

 

Also, the average income of Trump's voters was significantly higher than the national average and Hillary won the votes of the poorest voters: http://jezebel.com/please-stop-saying-poor-people-did-this-1788813761

 

Yeah, we know. We had the "Trump voters are more richer than Hillary's" last night...

That's a big assumption. How do you know? Are you going on pure speculation, polling trends or actually sitting these people down and talking to them?

We hear this a lot in the UK. People forget, especially the middle classes, it is not that easy for someone to retrain and find a new career. Lack of education, skills, finance and age can have a negative effect. This is the biggest failure of liberalism.

You cannot generalise people and say **** 'em.

 

My entire family is from West Virginia, and I can tell you exactly how those people are. The best chance the Democrats would have to make any inroads there on the national level is push new uses for coal besides burning it. They should push for a lot of scientific research in the Appalachian Mountains. There's a lot of resources there but transporting materials is pretty difficult. Most people who want better lives move out of the area, it's what my parents did.

It's places like West Virginia and Kentucky that makes me wish the country would just collapse and split apart. People in California and NY shouldn't have to be stuck in a union with people from those states that hate them and everything they represent. I think the US is a proven failure.