Senate The UK Politics discussion

oh no , it'll be nothing but this for months now

 

"..this is truly the special relationship"

 

Right then, time to commercialise the hell out of this, as we'll be needing the money.

Oh and let's not forget:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...announcement-meghan-markle-attacked-the-press

 

I'm really glad Harry is marrying someone of mixed race, for modernity's sake. I just wonder, could he not have found someone who was mixed race and not American? It's just... ugh. Awful. They'll think they belong in the first world now.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...trumps-theresa-may-twitter-attack?CMP=soc_567

I love how Labour and Tory are united in suggesting the American Orange Imbecile **** the **** off.

 

Well Trump's pretty good at making almost everyone find common cause against him.

 

BRITS A FEW DAYS AGO: Ugh, we hate Teresa May.
DONALD TRUMP: //says something stupid
BRITS NOW: LEAVE HER THE **** ALONE YOU PILLOCK

 

So, May ran the Cabinet before the General Election like the Soviet Union...

 

May's hardwork in one graph...

 

Judging from Daily Politics this morning, Labour are more or less coming out in favour of a second referendum.

 

and Tony Blair's been piping up again , he was on the World at One talking his usual bollux

 

So Jeremy can push for an even less enthused exit vote a second time around? For "the workers*"?

* Polish and other immigrant workers not included

 

So David Cameron can come back to blow up his country even more while you offer embarrassingly sycophantic defenses and try to claim you are somehow not a conservative.

 

I'm sorry my explaining how a parliament works to someone from a developing world country that can't even provide healthcare to its citizens continues to confuse you. At least you can ignore Corbyn was more pro-Leave than Cameron was, and pretend you're actually left wing.

Get out of here, you actual living meme*!

(*as in, you have your own meme on the knowyourmeme website)

 

Oh no, Cameron's roast pork.

No, it'll be the final act in this grand farce - Johnson as PM.

 

Jedi Ben, Wocky doesn't seem to understand that Cameron's hands were tied because in America there's no such thing as a backbencher revolt. And as leader, with a substantial number of people braying for a referendum, he had little choice but to offer one and trust in the wisdom of Brits to vote it down.

I mean, he made a mistake, but it was assuming people would do the right thing.

 

Cameron was an utter idiot in not putting in place an x% majority rule on the referendum. Not that he would have had the balls to actually use it to shoot down Leave if he had though.

 

Well, but again, though, backbench revolt. This is happening here too, where the right wing imbeciles are desperately opposed to any vaguely liberal or centrist and threaten to sink the ship if people don't give their 18th century demands the "respect" they think it is due.

 

Yeah, it's gallows humour amusing to watch Trump, with but a few tweets, demolish the idea, beloved of Brexiteers, that we'll get a great trade deal with the US. Of course we won't, instead the deal will be: How badly do you want to be screwed?

Yet still their mania persists and, since they still have all the levers of power, over the edge they will send us.

(Cameron I'll still damn for all for eternity for the hat-trick of sins of opening in the door in the first place and then running such an inept Remain campaign that it was outdone by this:



Culminating in his grand act of irresponsibility by resigning, after he'd shat everywhere.)

 

Oh his resignation was stupid. He should have stayed.

But I am unsure many voters would have responded to an Oxbridge PM articulating the grand values of remaining. If only someone with a common touch could have, perhaps working with rather than against a party of the people, campaigned for remain instead of silently supporting leave because they want to take England back to pre-common market, pre-Thatcher days when everything was awful.

I liked the LibDems before Brexit, and I've no reason to change my mind. Only party to actually fight for the EU membership.

 

He had a choice. He could have let the revolt happen.

Ender, no one cares about this but you. We understand that Cameron's position as PM and the Conservative-controlled government would both have been threatened. No one cares. This is only a problem if, like you, one holds the belief that they apparently had some divine right to rule that superceded the disastrous consequences of what was actually done to stay in power. David Cameron is an idiot who put party gain above his country, sacrificing everything to stay in a position he ultimately lost anyway. It would have been morally craven regardless of whether it had turned so pathetic as events in fact unfolded.

 

Do you even hear yourself? You live in a country where the head of the government and the body of the government are wholly independent and separate. You cannot take your sadly limited experience, made worse by the fact Americans are apparently genetically incapable of understanding how different systems, countries and cultures function (instead just applying the American experience far and wide), and say "it ought have". You're just missing so much of what transpired that it makes you look more ridiculous that you already do.

There was a segment across parties, though mostly on the right, that favoured an exit from the EU. The matter was becoming a distraction. It would have continued to be a distraction no matter what the governing party of the day was. And, as the results showed, people wanted it. In all its stupid, disasterous glory.

So you'll forgive me if I take the view of someone from the most cretinous country on earth with all the salt I can fit into my hands and pockets, yeah? This question about EU membership was something people like the bearded tit Jeremy Corbyn broadly supported. You did not have a scenario where Cameron had another option, and so he did what he could which was go "fine, you'll get your referendum, but just quietly I think the Brits are smarter than this."

It's not dissimilar to the same sex plebiscite we had here. The difference is we were more sensible. When you have parliamentarians gaming the system, which is something we understand because we don't live in the worst country full of the worst people live every day in a parliamentary Westminster system, then you will get compromise moves like this. If executed well, you have the right to say to the noisy troublemakers "right, you had your vote and lost, now shut up and sod off you bell ends."

You really fail to apprecaite that this was a gamble that backfired, but one that had it not unfolded this way would not have merely given up with a "well lads, we tried, but twas not to be". The referendum result speaks clearly to that. I understand as you feel you're sort of left wing despite being American and thus politically useless (as well as supporting the ideolgical mirror of David Cameron in President Obama), you can't blame Corbyn but I'm really curous as to why you don't suppor the LibDems more? They're the only party to mount a full throated defence for Remaining in the EU. It feels like you're punishing Cameron and sparing Corbyn for the most arbitary of reasons, namely your own personal branding.

Oh, it's your convictions? Please don't make me laugh.

 

I'm punishing Cameron for calling a referendum he didn't have to, and sparing Corbyn because he, you know. . .didn't.

 

He didn't have to call the referendum but due to the constant noise in parliament and from awful papers like the mail it was a politically wise move to call for one as all opinion polls were saying remain would win and as ender says once done would have shut people up for a while.


As it is he got it wrong and the UK is now careening towards a brick wall of financial pain and potential isolation.



Bad move by Cameron? In hindsight YES but I'd it hadn't been called then it would still be getting discussed now and would continue to be a major political distraction and continue to embolden our own fringe racist Muppets.



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