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Discussion in 'Community' started by PRENNTACULAR, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    He left is 3 month old daughter an orphan and probably traumatized his coaches and GM for life, I'm finding it hard to feel bad for the guy at the moment. I feel bad for his family, who lost him, but not the man himself right now.
     
  2. Asterix_of_Gaul

    Asterix_of_Gaul Jedi Master star 5

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    I feel bad for all of them. :(
     
  3. anidanami124

    anidanami124 Jedi Master star 6

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    Proglem there is that he killed someone else before he killed himself. Kind of hard for people to feel sorry for him at that point.
     
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  4. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    *listens to local newscaster*

    Florida linebacker? Really? The person writing your teleprompter couldn't be fussed to actually look up the correct info? You couldn't Ms. Newscaster?

    :oops::oops::oops:
     
  5. DT421

    DT421 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Is Crennel still going to coach the game tomorrow? I can't imagine witnessing something like that and still have the wits to go into coaching a game the next day.
     
  6. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    For all we know, focusing on coaching is what will help him keep his mind off it. Maybe he'll be distracted the whole time, but everybody responds differently.
     
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  7. MistrX

    MistrX Jedi Master star 4

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    That was Herm Edwards take on Sportscenter tonight. He opined that the players and coaches would probably prefer to play the game as it gives them three hours to focus on something else.
     
  8. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    Yeah, but no NFL coach (or very few other coaches, I would imagine) have had to deal with playing a game after seeing one of their players shoot himself in the head. Not even Herm.
     
  9. MistrX

    MistrX Jedi Master star 4

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    No, that's true. Teams have had to respond to tragedy, though. Andy Reid had a child die and, IIRC, going back to work helped him cope. Maybe Romeo will have trouble focusing on the game tomorrow. Maybe he won't. Maybe he'll have to leave. Or maybe it'll be a welcome distraction. Like Havac said, everyone responds differently. I'm sure he has the freedom to opt out should he choose to. I doubt anyone would fault him for it.
     
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  10. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    True, but I can't imagine what Romeo and Pioli are going through after the events of yesterday.
     
  11. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 9

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    Yeah, I agree. Also, would anyone be saying 'oh I feel sorry for that guy' if he weren't an NFL player? If this were just some guy in your town who'd killed his gf in a stupid argument, then drove to work and killed himself in front of his bosses, would you be pitying him? You know what, lots of hard things happen to lots of people. It really doesn't matter whether Belcher was going through something more than we know. It doesn't make his actions any less horrific and selfish.
     
  12. Jedi_Hood

    Jedi_Hood Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Reports are that he will.
     
  13. DT421

    DT421 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Dear football gods,

    Win or lose, please allow Luck to get through this game without Suh inflicting serious injury upon him. [face_praying]

    Thank you
     
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  14. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I suspect an investigation of his brain would or will show clear evidence of trauma and the equivalent of the brain of someone far older than him.

    It doesn't make his actions any less horrific and selfish.

    No doubt it was both. But, as evidence continues to grow about the dangers of playing football at a high level on a regular basis (or any at all, really), I think public opinion will gradually turn against it, starting at a young age, when parents begin to decline to let their children play football.

    ESPN (via Grantland) had a terrific long-form article on brain scans and football players. One former player, who committed suicide at about the age of 18, already showed signs of major trauma in his brain after it was investigated. Some of the worst danger is not from concussive hits, but in sub-conscussive hits, which build up over time and do the most damage.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...e-accused-killing-football-be-sport-only-hope

    Looking at all this from a scientific perspective, I see this as one more small but significant stepping stone to a future where professional football as we know it will be different, if it still exists at all.
     
  15. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    solojones what is the steroid talk like there? According to the article I read yesterday he's never had a concussion.
     
  16. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That's highly unlikely, and at any rate, as I mentioned above, it's the sub-conscussive hits that build up over time and cause a great deal of damage.
     
  17. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Why is it highly unlikely? Be it that he shot himself in the head I doubt they are going to get much information on any brain damage. He was undersized for a NFL player, he could have been looking for an edge competitively. Seems like a logical choice to investigate steroid usage.
     
  18. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    Are the Chiefs sporting a black band (either on the shoulder or near the elbow) on the jersey due to yesterday's events? I would find it incredibly odd/tactless if they are, considering the fact that the girlfriend was murdered & their child will grow up without ever having known either parent.
     
  19. heels1785

    heels1785 JCC/PT/New Films Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I think your logic is sound here, and if they ever release toxicology reports, it would not surprise me to see steroids involved- I think it's awfully hard to pin down what this was a result of at this point, be it concussions, sterioids, or just pure mental imbalance. Deadspin has released some information in conjunction with more revealing articles from the Kansas City Star, link.
     
  20. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The Steelers season is pretty much over today if they lose to the Ravens. It doesn't look good.
     
  21. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    My Facebook feed just lit up with Jets fans pumped for McElroy.
     
  22. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 9

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    I'm sorry Josh, I have to completely disagree with the tendency to jump to armchair medical conclusions and with the fallacy that correlation implies causation. People who've played in the NFL have committed murder and/or suicide? Guess what, so have people in general. I would love to see the numbers on the incidence of mental illness in the NFL vs. The general population. Because I'd be willing to bet it's very similar.

    Let me ask this: are we also going to blame concussions for OJ Simpson's actions too? Or do we have to acknowledge that, just like in any other field, there are people with issues. Whether they are mental, substance abuse, anger related, or simply a selfish lack of moral character, NFL players are ultimately no different than anyone else.

    This isn't to say that concussions don't have a possibility of causing long term problems of varying types. They do. Or even that subconcussive hits can't do things as well. But the conclusions being jumped to here are frankly borderline libelous. It's easy to paint a profitable and popular organization like the NFL as evil. But it's irresponsible to make such wild assertions about such a serious situation.

    Consider also that not only had Belcher not had a concussion (and this all in the era of strict concussion checks, not Seau's era), he didn't even start last week and I'm not sure he really played at all. So the claims that he was feeling confused simply because of a concussion seem dubious. I would really like to know Belcher's BAL and drug test results. Because if he had the issues his friend said (and I tend to believe those because why would you make your friend out to be a drunk if he weren't?) To me, this reads like any other similar, tragic case of escalating domestic issues combined with potential substance abuse and all around immaturity and anger. There's no reason to jump to an excuse related to concussions when there's absolutely no evidence of that. We should try as a society to hold people accountable once in a while.

    Finally, as to the random steroid suggestion.... it's always possible I guess, but while Belcher may have been undersized he was already a starter and on an awful defense where he had no competition for his spot to speak of.
     
  23. Point Given

    Point Given Mod of Literature and Community star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The Jets-Cardinals game in a nutshell

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  24. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 9

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    So, I am torn. I feel really happy for the team, coaches, and Pioli that they had something slightly uplifting to distract this weekend, and that they were able to come together and embody the spirit of the city in this win. Brady Quinn especially stepped up, with something like a 137 passer rating. We had no turnovers and only one penalty, a delay of game late in the 4th. A nearly perfect game.

    However, we really can't win another game. It would spell disaster in the draft. If we have played ourself out of a shot at Gino Smith, I am going to be so pissed.
     
  25. LloydChristmas

    LloydChristmas Jedi Master star 4

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    solojones, I think you're using the Jump to Conclusions mat here as much as anyone else. Without more information, the idea that this was simply a domestic/drug abuse/anger-related issue is as much a jump as assuming it was purely head-trauma-related. If anything, recent reports point to a combination of all of those.

    Not having a reported concussion hardly rules out serious trauma. Brain scans of even high school athletes have shown that repeated shots to the head even over just one season can affect what areas of the brain are accessed for particular tasks. I know this because I read it in a magazine once while eating Chipotle, which basically makes me a neurologist.


    Also, can I get a HAPPY BIRTHDAY AARON RODGERS UP IN HEEEERREEEEEE [face_party]

    And Point Given, that gif summary is amazing.