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Discussion in 'Community' started by PRENNTACULAR, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. The Great No One Force Ghost

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    a large part of billick's problem was that they couldn't get a QB that was worth anything, that's why their offense was always lackluster. trent dilfer anyone? kyle boller? i don't know who else they had, but i don't remember it being anyone worth doing anything with.
  2. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    And when they had McNair, their O - line was ****
  3. Rox Administrator Emeritus

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    He also wasn't very good.
  4. Juliet316 Chosen One

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  5. solojones Chosen One

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    The one gap 3-4 is probably what we have the best personnel for. Really glad we're not going back to a 4-3.
  6. s65horsey Otter-loving Former EUC Mod

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    Someone has probably posted this before but I hadn't seen it and it made me laugh so Bad Lip Reading - NFL
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  7. solojones Chosen One

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    BTW, can we finally agree that Peyton belongs alongside Favre in all time QB rankings, not at the very top with the likes of Brady and Montana?

    On the radio the other day they cited the parallels between Favre and Manning in the post season. Favre's TD-INT is something like 44-32 and Peyton's was like 33-22. Maybe I can look up those figures when I'm not on my phone. Still, the overall point is pretty clear.
  8. Eeth-my-Koth Chosen One

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    I wouldn't argue that point. But where would you rank Marino?
  9. solojones Chosen One

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    Probably around Peyton.
  10. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    Maybe a touch lower, considering Marino never got a ring.
  11. solojones Chosen One

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  12. LloydChristmas Jedi Grand Master

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    Hey @solojones, do you like Peyton Manning?
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  13. Rox Administrator Emeritus

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    For super bowl ranking quarterbacks here's how I see them.

    Montana
    Bradshaw
    Brady
    Aikman
    Staubach
    Elway
    Roethlisberger/Griese
    Starr
    Plunkett

    Honorable Mention: Eli Manning

    I'm not saying this is my all time greats list but my top 10 Superbowl QB's.
  14. Eeth-my-Koth Chosen One

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    What about Jeff Hostetler?

    Also, how is Big Ben on this list? He's been in 3 Super Bowls and sucked in all 3.
    Last edited by Eeth-my-Koth, Jan 15, 2013
  15. darth_gersh Force Ghost

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  16. Darth McClain Arena Manager Emeritus

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    Yeah, Ben's definitely lower tier of Super Bowl winners. Super Bowl XL was particularly bad.
  17. DarthIntegral Force Ghost

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    Wait. Ben didn't suck in XLIII. Should have been MVP, instead of Holmes.
  18. Eeth-my-Koth Chosen One

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    Maybe he didn't suck in that one. Here are the numbers;
    Roethlisberger finished 21 of 30 for 256 yards, one TD, and one INT
  19. Rox Administrator Emeritus

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    That is why I put him in there. He's been to 3 Superbowls. The first one yes he was terrible but a win is a win. The 08 SB he was pretty darn good. 21 of 30 for 256 yards, one TD, and one INT. He had a passer rating of 93.2. The game winning drive was awesome(I know I'm a total homer). In 2010 he was 25/40 for 263 yards, 2 TDs and 2 interceptions. The first INT was a fluke, he got hit and it was a pick 6. For being down 21-3 early he brought them back to make it a game.

    Plus I'm a Steeler fan so I'm totally bias.
  20. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    So if Brady wins his fourth ring in six Super Bowls this year, does that vault him above Bradshaw and Montana? Or does Spygate negate the first three somewhat?
    Last edited by Juliet316, Jan 15, 2013
  21. Point Given Mod of Literature and Community

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    Bob Griese was a bad Superbowl QB. Just look at his stats.

    Also your Steeler bias is showing :p


    My rankings:

    Joe Montana
    Terry Bradshaw
    Tom Brady
    Kurt Warner
    Troy Aikman
    John Elway
    Roger Staubach
    Eli Manning
    Bart Starr
    Brett Favre/Peyton Manning
  22. The Great No One Force Ghost

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  23. solojones Chosen One

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    If we're just ranking Super Bowl performance, then yeah I think Eli deserves to be near the bottom of that top 10 or an honorable mention, just because of how insanely he's pulled his teams through. Definitely not for regular season play, though. And Peyton is just the opposite. Great in the regular season, but his one SB ring was owed in large part to his running backs. His own performance was just ok.
  24. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    If we're talking performances and not just wins, then Jim Kelly should be in that list. Not all of those losses were on his shoulders ('Far Right' anybody?), they probably don't make it too the Super Bowl, much less lose some heartbreakers if it's weren't for him most of those four years.
  25. Juliet316 Chosen One

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    It's breaking on ESPN right now that the Bears have hired former CFL HC Marc Trestman to be Lovie's successor.