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Discussion in 'Community' started by PRENNTACULAR, Nov 25, 2006.

  1. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    i guess they could make even touching a kicker completely illegal, and by extension make any attempts to block kicks illegal. and also just do away with the kick return, which has been hinted at as being distinctly possible. that is, quite frankly, the only way i can see it being safe for a woman to play in the NFL. as rachel said, even college guys get absolutely destroyed because they haven't spent the time getting the extra bulk to play in the NFL. i just can't see a normal woman (even an extremely athletic one) being able to gain the necessary bulk for it to be even remotely safe. even with all the pads. and kickers pads are complete jokes compared to someone like a linebacker.
     
  2. solojones

    solojones Force Ghost star 9

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    Right. Because of the motion that a kicker has to do, it's hard for them to have a lot of padding. You can't really have padding on your legs and even your arms and shoulders have to be able to swing freely like a QB's. I suppose a female kicker could just refuse to go after and tackle someone on a kick return or blocked kick, but that would seem to be a huge mark against a team wanting to hire them, no matter how good their leg is.

    EDIT: Also, I watched that chick's video... I don't know how far she can actually hit them from, but her form is really sloppy. Her steps are not at all deliberate and I don't know if she'd get the ball up high enough to clear the line, even though she's "making" the FGs we see. I mean, I give her major props for trying, though, as it's not all about whether she can actually make it. If you want to try something you love, go for it. Leave the practical concerns up to the bosses.
     
  3. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    yea. definitely. and, on another note, if you REALLY wanted to get a female kicker, i'd think about poaching a female soccer player, since they have to be able to kick the thing a pretty damn far distance.

    and in other obscure NFL ideas, my dad thought that possibly hiring a sumo wrestler to play center would be a decent idea. because, you know, who could move him.
     
  4. solojones

    solojones Force Ghost star 9

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    A sumo wrestler would probably never have the conditioning to be able to run up and down the field as even linemen have to, though. Or even side to side to pull and block. As to female soccer players, well this lady is one, but not a pro. I assume you mean a pro soccer player, because yeah, the US has the best female soccer players in the world and I'm sure some of them could kick the crap out of a football.
     
  5. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    they... have better conditioning than you'd think. they exercise a rather absurd amount. it's more the speed to move laterally that would be a problem. however, if you just need it so you can have on person taking care of the middle cloggers that normally take multiple people blocking them (aka a vince wilfork or a casey hampton, you now the typical 3-4 DT) then it could work. not in a two minute drill, though. most likely.

    yea. that's what i meant, a pro soccer player. and just on toughness, they might could take the potential punishment. but you'll still never convince me they could tackle someone. although bob sanders did it, so who knows.
     
  6. solojones

    solojones Force Ghost star 9

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    Conditioning maybe, but you still have to have speed. Otherwise you can't get in front of your tailbacks to block for them at all. You can't have guys slowing down to run behind you. There's definitely a reason that the guys playing o-line aren't sumo wrestlers. Just a totally different sport and set of needs.

    I'm sure some pro female soccer players are pretty tough mentally. It's just that physically they are bound to get breaks and tears more easily if they collide with a dude much bigger than them. Though I have to say, there are some football players who are not much bigger than those ladies and they still take a pounding. There are NFL players who are shorter than I am. Yeah, they have like 50 lbs on me and it's all muscle, though theoretically a woman could get close to that. Still, the bone density thing you just can't change.

    Why not just try to recruit more male pro soccer players? I mean, the thing is that kicking is its own skill and you do have to have those mechanics, but soccer players ought to have good mechanics anyway and the ability to learn different ones. It usually isn't a terribly difficult transition for them. The crossover only really seems to happen at the college level, though. Once you're pro, you've kind of already decided on your sport, you know?
     
  7. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    well, that's a large, large part of the reason that it would probably only work as a center, because they don't tend to pull and so forth very much. would basically need to design a running scheme around it, but i get the feeling that it would help create some rather large wholes in the middle. also would help create a wall if running away from that direction (at least when dealing with lineman).
     
  8. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Games and Community Reaper star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    A sumo would get called for holding a lot though.
     
  9. The Great No One

    The Great No One Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    possibly. not disputing that there're problems. just that it might make for an interesting experiment with one of the smaller ones.
     
  10. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    Yeah, there is a difference between trying out and being on an NFL field. Still it's great to see a woman actually being invited to the combine.

    Dick LeBeau bemoans 'lost season'

    And basically hates the fact that the Ravens are Super Bowl champions.
     
  11. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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  13. Eeth-my-Koth

    Eeth-my-Koth Jedi Grand Master star 9

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    There's no value at the number one pick this year. Chiefs are one year too late.
     
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  14. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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  15. solojones

    solojones Force Ghost star 9

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    Yes, yes we know. Shut up :(
     
  16. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Jedi Master star 5

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    Wow, didn't see the Chiefs wanting to trade down thing coming:p
     
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  17. solojones

    solojones Force Ghost star 9

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    For the record, I wanted to tank last season. I really wanted RG3. And we wouldn't have idiotically run him into the ground and possibly ruined his career.
     
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  18. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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  19. Eeth-my-Koth

    Eeth-my-Koth Jedi Grand Master star 9

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    Hahahahahahahha
     
  20. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Jedi Master star 5

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    With Crennel running that team, you actually probably would have. Dude's a trainwreck (coming from a Browns fan)
     
  21. DT421

    DT421 Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    That would be the absolute smart thing to do. They could trade down to perhaps a 5-10 pick, pick up that possible rookie QB and get another pick or two, for some of the later rounds. None of the QB's in this year's draft are worth wasting a #1 overall on.
     
  22. EMPEROR_WINDU

    EMPEROR_WINDU Jedi Master star 5

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    Everyone wants to trade down, but who in their right mind is going to want to trade up?


    As for the sumo wrestler discussion, I don't see a sumo wrestler being able to play offensive line in today's NFL. Even the centers are pulling to block on the edge from time to time and I don't see them being able to do that. Only place on the field I could see them fitting in would be at the nose on 1st and 2nd down as they aren't going to get a pass rush, could see them commanding some double teams and collapsing the pocket though.
     
  23. Teegirloo

    Teegirloo Jedi Master star 6

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    So the first player chosen is going be Mr. Irrelevant.:p
     
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  24. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral VIP star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Plenty of teams will want to trade up. Not many will want to give up a ton to do so. Joekel is a heck of a take. Could be a franchise piece on the level of a Joe Thomas.
     
  25. Rox

    Rox Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I would love to see the Steelers trade up and get Joekel but that isn't gonna happen. The Steelers are so week on the O line but they have bigger holes on defense. I hope they grab a running back in round two.