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Senate The US Politics discussion

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Dec 6, 2012.

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  1. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Chosen One star 7

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  2. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Oh, educate yourself!

    Several countries in Europe have prospered thanks to democratic socialism, with stable economies, relatively low violent crime-rates, health care access for everyone for next to no cost, etc.
    This is a fact, by the way, not an opinion.
     
  3. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    a) You were a colony of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. Not England.
    b) Yes. Because, if stayed a bit longer, the colonies would've received a Westminster system of government (like Canada) and been more stable. Potentially, no Civil War either because slavery would have been abolished in 1833.
     
  4. STARBOB

    STARBOB Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    England is the main power player in the UK, Just Like Russia was in the USSR
     
  5. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    That's your response?

    Pfft.
     
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  6. J-Rod

    J-Rod Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    I think a policy governing the behavior of American companies overseas isn't Markist.
    Greece and Denmark were saying similar things 30 years ago. Give it time. Spain and Italy are breaking down as we speak. You always run out of ther people's money.

    And if the US went to a single payer system, one of two things will happen:
    1) Europe's costs will go up to compensate.
    2) The medical industry will severely contract making research and treatments a harder to find.

    We are floating the entire planet because there is no profit anywhere else to be had by the medical industry but the US.
     
  7. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Erm, no. You really don't understand how the United Kingdom constitutionally works.
     
  8. Chyntuck

    Chyntuck Force Ghost star 5

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    Good grief. The chemtrails must finally be working. It's the only sensible explanation for some of the comments in this thread.
     
  9. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Don't get them started. We'll have them posting new world order conspiracy theories soon.
     
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  10. Ramza

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    Well, de jure African decolonization only began in the late 1950s (where you would actually get the radical arguments is whether or not it ever ended, for the record) and the ramifications of the American Civil War, which happened 150 years ago, are arguably still affecting our political discourse today in terms of even something as banal as the blocks in which the country tends to vote. But the Civil War only lasted five years, colonization lasted for decades, if not centuries depending on the precise use of the term. These things don't happen overnight.

    And we actually agree that people in Africa are going to need to sort their own problems out - however, in my opinion that's not going to be possible until we stop economically disenfranchising the continent in myriad ways, and picking and choosing regimes to either prop up or overthrow.

    This is one of those cases where the layers of meaning a given word has can cause some hangups, IMO. While we were a colony of England, and indeed the economic and social disruption that occurred here was well within the colonial model, we have to remember that we're not actually the direct legacy of those that were colonized - we're a socioeconomic offshoot of the colonizers. The analogous group here would be the Native Americans, and I hopefully don't need to tell you that when we think of the stereotypical American standard of living that does not usually extend to the reservations.
     
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  11. Jester J Binks

    Jester J Binks Jedi Master star 4

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    Were you under the impression that this thread was anything but conspiracy theories?
     
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  12. gezvader28

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    tell him Daniel .

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  13. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    All politics is a conspiracy theory, this is why Stirner was the only correct person ever and we should actually just call everything a phantasm.

    ... That's probably a joke.
     
  14. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Ah hell, now I have to go read the entire Murica thread while whipping myself in penance before a graven image of John Bull.
     
  15. STARBOB

    STARBOB Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    He can tell me any thing he wants But I'm a firm believer that history should be used to learn from and not repeat mistakes, instead of being used as an excuse for current problems. So I guess we differ
     
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  16. KnightWriter

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    Looks like straight repeal of the ACA is back on the table and has as chance of passing. Just as a matter of politics, it's remarkable just how much Republicans in the Senate are willing to ignore every poll (particularly recent ones) on the subject, and the general outpouring of sentiment from a myriad of sources. Actively harming the ACA is bad politics to everyone that isn't a hardcore Trump supporter (which itself is a questionable designation with regard to the ACA, because so many of them heavily depend on a version of it, whether it be the exchanges or Medicaid) or a major donor.
     
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  17. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    The whole "always run out of other people's money" is a ridiculous argument. Democratic socialism isn't about taking "other people's" money. But as always you'll just continue to ignore what people explain to you, so I honestly won't bother trying.


    What I can tell you that countries such as Sweden and Norway have been doing incredibly well throughout the decades.

    Still do.

    Funny that.
     
  18. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Wouldn't a straight repeal need 60 votes since the reconciliation bill wouldn't apply?
     
  19. STARBOB

    STARBOB Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I find your argument B rather funny. Isn't that one of the excuses you use for Africa, colonial powers picking and choosing regimes
     
  20. DANNASUK

    DANNASUK Force Ghost star 7

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    Norway is economically more freer than the United States. Plus, the United States is the most indebted nation in the world - the very definition of "running out of other peoples money"
     
  21. KnightWriter

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    Doesn't sound like it.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/7/20/16000600/trumpcare-not-dead-yet

    It's hard to keep things straight at the moment, but it seems like one or both approaches are alive and realistic at the moment.

    I'm really surprised that Heller is even broaching the possibility of crossing Brian Sandoval. It's a terrible idea for him politically and if a bill passed, it would lead to him getting wiped out next year by a halfway decent challenger (which in turn would lead to multiple strong candidates lining up, if they haven't already).
     
  22. Darth Nerdling

    Darth Nerdling Force Ghost star 4

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    How would they achieve this? There were already three R's against straight repeal and McCain has now said stated that he's against it too.

    Once you get to 4, it's easier for others to come out against it.



    They wouldn't be able to repeal rules like staying on your parent's insurance until 26 or lifetime caps or essential benefits without 60 votes, but they would be able to cut funding to the markets with 50 votes, which would cause the exchanges to collapse completely. I'm not sure how a straight repeal would affect Medicaid expansion.
     
  23. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    Hooray for arcane parliamentary rules that even those in Congress have trouble understanding.
     
  24. Lord Vivec

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  25. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Yeah and what happened to Gandhi? Checkmate Marxist-Leninist-Maoist-Clintonite-Obamaists.
     
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