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perhaps there might also be a change in how the public perceive's social media. supposedly younger people have already lost interest in facebook

 

So the Russkies spread a conspiracy theory that they were colluding with Trump . . . .

hang on , no , I don't get it . ?

 

I am constantly amused and a bit surprised by all of this. I've been doing the message board thing since 1999, I've played a bunch of online games and talked to people from all over the world over Ventrillo, Discord and other such apps. If there's one thing you learn about talking to people over the internet, is that most people are just fooling around, trying to get you angry by trolling you, and you dont just believe everything you read. Sometimes you just look at the link and it sounds ridiculous, so you know whoevers writting this stuff is suspicious because it came out of nowhere. I rarely take anyone seriously over the internet because I just dont know you.

Its just further proof that people are generally stupid. When youre on the internet you have to go on the defensive, and be careful of everything and everyone. Its not rocket science.

 

Pretty much spot on.

I've read the indictment and it paints a picture of Russia spreading disinformation against all front runners and try to boost support for Trump, Sanders and Stein. Low level people in the Trump campaign took some of the front groups seriously, seeking support, but there seems to be no hints of co-operation with the Kremlin.

What worries Trump, though, is possible financial information the Russians have on his business dealings. Not the sort of stuff, which will get him kicked out of office and sent to prison, but would be politically damaging if the President of the United States had financial ties to the Russian state, the oligarchs or Russian mafia.

 

This is well-stated.

Collusion was never really going to be the issue as it is very hard to prove. The real peril to Trump is obstruction of justice, which is a problem entirely of his own making. If he hadn't fired Comey, then stated on national television that his primary motivation had been 'the Russia thing', and hadn't consistently contradicted himself with practically everything he's said since, he wouldn't be in the situation he faces now.

In other words, his own behavior has led us to this point. He can probably survive the unmasking of unsavory business dealings with Russia (Whitewater ultimately didn't harm Bill Clinton's presidency), but obstruction is a different matter entirely. The possibility that he interfered in a DOJ investigation leads to a potential web of problems; even if he didn't 'mean' to help Russia, actions such as refusing to carry out Congressional sanctions passed with veto-proof majorities come across in a whole new light when obstruction is considered. Under those circumstances, undisclosed financial dealings start to look a lot less innocent and a lot more like blackmail or even criminal conspiracy.

So yes, I think collusion is pretty much a nothingburger at this point. It's not Trump's fault so many Americans take whatever they read on social media as fact, or are willing to march in a rally if the planners hand out special signs. Obstruction, however--deliberately interfering with an independent investigation for political gain--could be fatal. I don't think it will lead to impeachment as long as the Republicans control Congress, but it would probably hobble his agenda politically for the remainder of his term.

Regardless, nothing will really change the GOP's behavior except for a loss of the House in the midterms. Until then, I expect business as usual to continue.

 

Like I said in the Gun Control thread, some of them are old enough to vote this year, and it seems like a lot of those young people are going to take that right very seriously.

 

Not just gun control, but other issues - including health care - will be finally done by the next generation. Those young people have had enough and want **** done.

 

Trump triggered on Twitter (Again). Movie at 11.

 

Amazing how Russia is simultaneously not a story yet still Obama’s fault.

And blaming the FBI for missing clues about the shooter because “Russia!” is just sick. He truly is despicable.

 

@Vaderize03

A desperate person is what he comes off as. He even had some GOPers on Sunday Morning Talk Show ask, "What is exactly he doing?".

I been saying for awhile that the walls were collpasing around him and this past week has really shown it. The middle is not going to hold much longer. As I told a GOP consultant over the holidays when he asked me for my advice about Trump. "It's like a rubber band. The more you scretch it, the harder it will snap back and hurt you. When the GOP scretch itself for Nixon, it really hurt itself badly. With Trump? You might just pull the rubber band back so much it might just snap and break it for good. The longer you scretch for Trump, the more it's going to hurt".

@JEDI-RISING

They did a long time ago. Facebook has not been "hip" with young people for several years now. Soon as their parents got on, they move on to Twitter...until that got popular with older people so they moved on to (you get the point LOL!).

Rebecca Kensington (former pornstar Aurora Snow). "Get ready for more women to come forward about having an affair with Donald Trump".

I wonder what the number will be until Melania finally serves Trump with papers?

 

2020

 

I wonder how many Republicans in Congress will leap to his defense by the end of the day. At least forty or fifty probably.

McMaster forgot to follow the party line for a few minutes by stating the obvious reality and of course that sets off Trump. Dead kids, Puerto Rico's power still needing repair, that barely warrants a tweet or two, yet here on Sunday on the long President's Day weekend, here he is working hard to defend the people who elected him- the Russians. They're sure getting a wonderful return on their investment. Maybe for as little as about $16 million a year (the news said that troll farm had about $1.2 million a month?) and America's reputation is in ruins (not that it was ever that that great, but we keep hitting new lows every week and with probably seven years to go).

So the "Russia thing" is totally not a thing and its all Obama and Hillary's fault too? So they're not at fault because Russian collusion is only a hoax anyway. And his lack of empathy for victims of mass shootings is depressing, but using them as an excuse to shift blame towards the FBI is appalling. And yet not surprising in the least. You'd think just apathy would be bad enough, but instead he's got to make it about himself again (especially when its partially the fault of him and the rest of the NRA lackeys in the Republican Congress that this keeps happening).

I worry that Trump will pull another big stunt soon to derail things (further), like firing Mueller. The indictment said finding Russian involvement wasn't that hard, relatively speaking, probably because they're openly gloating at what they've done to America's values.

And on top of all of that, I half expect ICE will start deporting Dreamers by the truckload in a few months, as an easy way to hit those deportation quotas they now have.

 

i would say these trumpers don't seem to believe these affair allegations, despite his lifelong vulgar womanizing, but with Melania constantly seperating herself from him it will be hard to deny.

 

Affairs and womanising no longer has a negative impact in Western politics. In France, President Hollande approval rating went up when it was discovering he had a mistress. Christian norms and values are not considered social norms for our leaders.

 

Although things have changed, the United States is more conservative on that issue than France. Diehard Trump supporters would be fuming if Obama or any other Democrat had affairs with porn stars and Playmates. But especially Obama. There would be 15 separate congressional investigations.

 

That is true, but I assume that is down to them being hyper-partisan and nothing to do with morality.

 

Fixed.

 

Oh, I forgot. Those farmers in the VICE documentary, who were worried about the water shortage, were of course massive racists for voting Trump.

Silly me.

 

Look at how often they brought up Monica and Bill's other problems with women, despite the fact that Bill wasn't running in 2016; Hilary was.

Those same people also seem to forget that when Hilary put out that 'Right Wing conspiracy" out there on the Today show, Bill was still lying to her about having had an affair with Monica.

 

I think Parkland represents the beginning of a sea change in politics. Young Americans are notorious for failing to vote; the events of last week have likely provided them with a permanent issue around which to rally.

And that should terrify Republicans, the party of the NRA.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-trump-aide-rick-gates-010752198.html

Nother one bites the dust. More winning.