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@Vaderize03

The Russia-Iran alliance is the reason why I think it will be NK in the end that Trump and Bolton will want to bomb. Trump will blame the “failed negotiations” he has with KJU in the spring and by August will be bombing. Seoul would be obviously be caught in the worst crossfire since WWII but what does Trump care?

And as we speak, Trump signed the spending bill he vented about only a few hours ago. Guess Thursday Trump showed up to the press conference.

 

Just when you thought Republicans could not go any lower......

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pennsylvania-supreme-court-chief-scolds-203101879.html

 

Dude, I agree with you. Your point is that the system needs to change, and that can’t happen until we acknowledge its flaws. My point is that this won’t happen until he does something that has real, take-home consequences for the American people. He has already lost many of the “reluctant Trump” voters (such as Obama Democrats who refused to vote for Hillary); it’s just a question of what will motivate the remainder of the country to fully unite against him.

You are correct in that nothing will dislodge his base, but they are still a minority. It will take a major event to drive enough anti-Trump turnout to overcome Republican gerrymandering, but it is possible. I think a war with Iran or North Korea will just such a catalyst, especially if it hits on American soil. My entire point is that this is where we seem to be heading. The Iraq war was a “video game” for many—a war with Iran and/or North Korea won’t be.

 

A war, which has a direct impact on US soil (are you talking attacks?) will result in martial law. Under that scenario, Trump becomes a dictator.

Games over at that point.

US voter turnout is shockingly low. Americans really don't give a **** and that's the heart of the problem. I know I keep returning to this point, but why hasn't there been major civil unrest? Go and look throughout the last decade or so, where countries President's have been investigated for corruption/abuse of power, there has been some form of consistent popular protest movement. Where are the protests in the United States capital? the sittings? Your President is accused of being a puppet, for a foreign power, and nobody has decided to march on Washington and bring the city to a standstill? Would've happened elsewhere.

IF we're at the stage, where we are hoping for a major war and direct attack on the United States, to finally bring people out in opposition then we've passed the point of no return a long, long time ago.

(usually, in times of war, the population will rally behind a leader - if the country is attacked)

 

there are a lot of reasons. for one, our country is so ****ed that it's hard to know what to protest. tomorrow millions will march, but it will be gun violence that they are taking a stand against, not trump. people tend to be rallied to a cause when it's something close to their hearts, something that has a tangible effect on their lives. trump being investigated for corruption hasn't really had that effect for the most part. another huge reason is definitely apathy, the same reason people didn't vote. people assumed we'd get hillary as president and she'd be terrible and then both the left and the right could complain about her and do little more. maybe she'd be under some form of investigation too, who knows. one thing's for sure, as bad as trump is (and he truly is like an angry toddler), americans lack a clearly better alternative and probably wouldn't be able to agree on one if it was staring them in the face.

 

1) Because, first of all, Trump as a puppet is fiction.

2) There is no real civil unrest because of point one. And we are all employed. Everyone who wants a job is working and we are feeding our families and paying our bills and saving for retirement. This isn't the situation is Greece or Venezuela.

That's why they riot.

 

Poor Betsy DeVos cannot catch a break:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/22/politics/congress-betsy-devos-spending-bill/index.html

Guess she will go back to doing....whatever she is doing. *shrugs*

Trump did have some great quotes in his "press conference": “The tanker aircraft is very important based on..........(struggles to read word)....well based on everything.”

The tanker aircraft is important. Cutting edge stuff there Mr. President!

 

@J-Rod

I was commenting on the narrative of Trump opponents and the lack of action to match the rhetoric.

 

Maybe I'm misunderstanding? The actions don't match the rhetoric because the reality doesn't match the rhetoric.

 

You are misunderstanding my point

 

On the Bolton appointment and Trump's comments on Iraq,worth keeping in mind a big issue W campaigned on was that the US should not be involved in nation building. Good times.

 

Though the whole post had tinged of it, this is hyperbolic and ridiculous. Trump certainly has fans. They would call in to talk radio or even vote in a Republican primary.

There are no “millions” ready to hit any “streets” on his behalf.

 

Let's see what happens if/when someone tries to impeach Trump.

 

Only a serious economic collapse would get people out. Obama's economy is what is propping Trump up.

 

In that case, people would be out for different reasons - looting, rioting, etc.

 

Nothing will happen. Impeachment is a process, not a moment, and a long one at that. People will get fired up, then it will all die down. Remember, America is not a country with a long history of national riots. The last time anything remotely resembling what you’re calling for was the Vietnam War, and that was decades ago. Unless he’s caught on tape promising Vladimir Putin the nuclear codes, impeachment will not be the way out of this.

In regards to martial law, in the absence of a nuke going off on American soil, I don’t see it happening. Americans may be apathetic as ****, but kowtowing to a would-be domestic dictator—especially one as unpopular as Trump—is not in our collective DNA. At the very least, corporate America would put extreme pressure on Congress to remove him, markets would tank, and marches would give way to boycotts. And that’s assuming the military would be willing to follow his orders. If he tried to impose martial law without a true crisis, I’m not sure they would.

 

Admitting it isn't the issue and serves little purpose anyway.

It's where you're supposed to evolve from here that's the issue. If you don't have a line on that you have nothing. An admission that the old system is broken only works in your favour when you have a plan on how to fix or better it.

 

Hard to fix something, which is dead.

That's my point.

 

It’s a dumb point. Largely because, as ugly as this is, the system is hardly “dead.”

And in fact, insofar as it is dysfunctional, it is so in a way that the British political system is particularly vulnerable to as well: relying on custom to restrain and compel people in the roles necessary for smooth function, when there are people too uncouth to be thusly restrained.

 

Little-Ender .

 

Trumps tweets don't age very well, do they?

Also: A man has been arrested for threatening to kill Congressman Scott Taylor. Taylor's one of the local representatives for my district (he took the seat that was vacated by Scott Rigell in 2016). He's also a former Navy SEAL.

 

Oh please, Wocky.

The British system is no where near as dysfunctional as the United States; our constitution, albeit uncodified, actually works for a start and each branch of government is doing its job.
Strangely enough we engage in something called "constitutional reform" and routinely update/change parts to ensure the system still works. Like, you know, mature adults.

So, pickle, next question?

 

BRUMP

 

I have no idea what BRUMP means, Watto