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Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Dec 6, 2012.

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  1. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    After seeing that clip of Trump blaming the Democrats for putting kids in cages, I have one question. One thing I truly don't understand.

    Why don't American journalists have the guts to say "Hey Trump, that's a filthy lie. You are lying. Now give us a real ****ing answer!"?
    It's what would have happened here. If our prime minister was caught in such an awful, disgusting lie, he would be called out on it immediately - to his face. And not with the "respectful" words used by American journalists that allows him to just reiterate the same lie.

    This is a constant problem with the American media. Scathing commentaries when not talking to the people in power, but as soon as the president (regardless of president), a senator, congressperson, or whatever is interviewed, the reporters use kid gloves.
     
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  2. Darth Smurf

    Darth Smurf Small, but Lethal star 6

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    Did the president by accident watch Iron Sky while flying with the AF1 thinking it is a docu?
    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034314/
     
  3. crazyewok

    crazyewok Jedi Knight star 3

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    For the 7th time......... I DO NOT SUPPORT THE SEPARATING OF CHILDREN FROM FAMILY'S.

    It's like some on here are desperate for a enemy to project there hate on they are ignoring what actually being said to create a symbol of what you hate .
    Someone comes along and shows views the mob don't quite agree with and so they project everything they don't like even though that person doesn't nessersarly subscibe to those views because the mob desperately needs a scapegoat for there anger.
     
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  4. MarcusP2

    MarcusP2 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Translate: If he did it, it is correct. With that line of thinking, there is no possible scandal or change of policy that will lead to repudiation.
     
  5. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 7

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    Because conservatives have been screeching about "LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS" endlessly, and journalists feel bad and think "oh they must be right", so they bend over backwards to appease the conservatives and broadcast their propaganda in the name of "balance".

    Haven't really been following this particular conversation the past few pages, but I have to say you did not win a whole lot of sympathy points from me by typing that. On top of that, I'd say you just perfectly described Trump supporters...not liberals. But okay, if you don't agree with the Trump administration's border policies, then maybe you should explain clearly what exactly your position is.
     
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  6. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Here's some Liberal bias, also known as facts.

    Trump says crime is way up in Europe because of immigration policies. Well, it isn't.
     
  7. crazyewok

    crazyewok Jedi Knight star 3

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    I thought the USA already had a space command based out of fort Vandenberg? Why is trump making another one?
     
  8. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Damn, forgot this bit of crazy as well.

    Apparently those kids have to be separated because they are having sex

    Those godless 10 year old(and under) criminals.
     
  9. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    That's not it though. The media acts the same with more or less every person with any sort of power in the US, regardless of political party.
     
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  10. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 7

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    The way I heard it explained is that journalists are getting their stories from having access to politicians...and if they're dependent on politicians for their scoops, well then you can see where that goes. Although I still have to insist that the kids' gloves treatment applies much more to one party than the other.
     
  11. Artoo-Dion

    Artoo-Dion Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Politicians in America seem to be treated more like celebrities than public servants. I mean, the host might make some crack about Angelina Jolie that would never be said to her face. The same goes for Trump or anyone else in politics.
     
  12. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    1. I’m glad you’ve walked back your commentary, but you’re not the only person on the internet to make the argument that people deserve what is happening to them, because illegal. If it ain’t about you, it ain’t about you [face_coffee]
    2. What IS about you, and why I tagged you, are your comments about race and racism.

    EDIT: On the topic of journalistic integrity, in addition to the above mentioned observations about accusations of bias, there’s also profit motive. As was mentioned “access” is a thing. Being able to have interviews with elected officials generates ratings, and ratings generates profits. If you’re mean to a politician by calling shenanigans on their nerfshavit, they’re not inclined to give you “access.”

    Somehow, we gotta separate profit motive from journalism.
     
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  13. crazyewok

    crazyewok Jedi Knight star 3

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    AGAIN I never said they deserve what is happening. I said it was "heavy handed! which where I come from means disapproval.


    I make no apologies on my views on race and racism.

    I don't discriminate, I don't hate and I try to treat everyone equally and judge them as individual characters. Thats it.

    I don't do microaggressions and all that nonsense and I don't avoid words because they have tenuous or indirect links with racism.

    As I said it is what it is and I make no apology.
     
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  14. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    And like I said, you’ve told me everything I need to know about you on the topic of race and racism. Now you’ve told me twice. Thank you.

    If you have any concerns about this, the “Race” Relations thread here in the Senate would probably be the better forum to continue this line of conversation.
     
  15. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    That’s such a thing someone who supports the separating of children from families would say.
     
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  16. crazyewok

    crazyewok Jedi Knight star 3

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    Thanks for the suggestion but I might stay away from that. Far to volatile issue for my liking and one I admit I don't have as much knowlage in. Especially as there is a vast cultural difference between UK race relations and US race relations.

    So best just to agree to disagree on that issue here.


    Now your just messing with me [face_bleh] [face_laugh]
     
  17. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian Future Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    To be able to avoid discussions about race because they make you uncomfortable is a privilege o_O[face_coffee]
     
  18. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    So what was the point of your original commentary?

    You purposefully dove into a discussion about family separation to admonish everyone about the need to temper our criticism because the victims are “illegal.” You have implied those that don’t are close-minded and intolerant. Only over subsequent days have you admitted:

    1. You don’t agree with Trump Administration of asylum seekers
    2. You don’t agree with Trump Administration treatment of undocumented migrants
    3. You don’t agree with family separation broadly
    4. You don’t agree with US immigration policy

    . . .so what was the point of your original, pages long defense, if you in fact agree with all the things that were being said in this thread and disagree with Trump?
     
  19. TCF-1138

    TCF-1138 Anthology/Fan Films/NSA Mod & Ewok Enthusiast star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    That's a big problem for your democracy.
     
  20. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    There should be a massive uproar over what the Trump administration is doing to these children. We should have protests en masse.
     
  21. crazyewok

    crazyewok Jedi Knight star 3

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    Maybe because my original post was badly worded?

    That' problem with "implying" and assumptions.

    Posting stuff on a forum is hardly the best way of commincstion and sometimes, especially when someone is not a wordsmith and is busy the things post may not all ways convey accurate meaning.

    So instead of clinging onto my original badly worded post, accept that it did not fully convey my meaning and learn from my follow up posts clearing the matter up.
     
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  22. Darth Smurf

    Darth Smurf Small, but Lethal star 6

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    Just curious. Did this start with Trump or has this been done before already?
     
  23. Ava G.

    Ava G. Force Ghost star 5

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    As far as reach and damage, this is probably second only to how the government treated Japanese immigrants right after Pearl Harbor.

    Deportations under Clinton, Bush, and Obama tended to be a lot more humane from what I can tell.
     
  24. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Japanese internment was a stain on the nation's honor. This is, as well. Well, we've had many stains, such as the Trail of Tears and slavery, but you know what I mean.
     
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  25. J-Rod

    J-Rod Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    This whole line of thinking is stupid. This has been an ongoing policy from the Obama administration. Only now is it a problem?

    Not to mention, and this is my line of thinking about everything, why aren't we placing the blame for this at the feet of those who chose to willingly break the law. We are responsible when we break the law. Not the law.
     
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