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As much as I disagree with J-Rod, as angry as many of the views he espouses make me, and as real as the destructive impact of the policies he is willing to accept is, this thread does have a singularly bizarre feature. I don't think it makes sense to discuss the guy as if he is a clinical laboratory specimen who is somehow not here as an active participant, but instead trotted out on occasion to exemplify pathology.

 

We can still try to make him ditch the sig though

 

Well @anakinfansince1983 that, and also the odd sort of psychoanalytic dissertations about what J-rod is or what he thinks. At some point I think the pronouncements are a bit much for someone you're talking to on a Star Wars forum.

 

Question - can one be described as “nationalistic” while being a patsy for a foreign adversary and kissing up to all foreign dictators, at the same time as damaging all of our relationships with allies? It seems inaccurate to call Trump a nationalist.

 

In another non-surprise, Sessions is requesting a 'modification' to the Flores ruling so they can keep families indefinitely - in other words, nullifying it.

 

The only one giving his blessing to Trump is this guy, but that's because Trump owes him money.

But it's not "Fox & Friends", so it is fake news.

 

That's one of the thing that really annoys me about the Trump cult. I kind of understand how they support his racism and bigotry towards minorities and other countries (particularly countries without a white majority) but they also cheer him for sucking up to places like Russia and North Korea. Partially its just tribalism, as he's doing the opposite of Obama so of course they're happy about that, but that's why I wonder what happened to national pride. I know conservatives don't care about mercy and generosity (at least towards non-rich and non-white people) but what happened to American ambition and arrogance? Instead of proclaiming America the greatest country ever, Trump loves playing the victim and saying the US has been victimized by our allies.

Well, I guess for them its a way to annoy liberals and that's always a positive for them. And rather than work harder to prove America is better, they'd rather just whine about how its not their fault America is in such poor shape, especially compared to other first world countries. And since other democracies are the "enemy" in their eyes, of course that pushes them to side with the totalitarian countries. Its why more Republicans like Russian than Pelosi these days. Not that she's a super-great leader, but its not like she sold out our elections to a foreign country, unlike Trump. But guess being a Democrat (and possibly her gender too) make her a convenient scapegoat.

It sounds pretty illogical and hypocritical that a supposedly populist and nationalistic movement is so happy to cater to Russia, but then I doubt Trump's base engages in much critical thinking, or else they'd have to deal with more cognitive dissonance.

 

I see Israel is checking off a lot of items on that list. The Trump/Netanyahu axis of evil

 

Maybe they should add "inevitably end up in jail" to that list then?

 

Regarding fascism, in the polities in history typically considered bona fide fascist regimes, were there any notable anti-(regime x) strands within that polity? By that I mean substantial, cohesive moments, not scattered individuals whose eloquent written protestations were celebrated after the fact. I've recently moved to Europe, and I had a conversation with a cabbie the other day where he said, "It's strange; Trump is in power, but I've yet to met a single American that actually likes him." I would guess a big part of that is that members of Trump's base are far less likely to be inclined to travel abroad, but nevertheless, the general dynamic is true: Yes, Trumpism has all the earmarks of a nascent fascism, but (roughly) half the country recognizes this harrowing fact and is passionately resisting it. Are there any analogues to that in history? (I would guess not, since they didn't have the memory of fascist regimes and world war raged against them within the previous century)

(I'm asking out of academic curiosity, not because I'm trying to defend the utterly sick state of the American body politic)

Trump himself may be in hoc to Russia for any number of nefarious reasons, but among the Trumpian masses, the "nationalism" they espouse is as much of a white ethno-nationalism as it is American nationalism per se. Russia is viewed as a Great White Civilization in history by many of them.

 

I feel the 2014 and 2016 elections have been fraudulent due to voter suppression and gerrymandering. I also feel Trump does control the media to a large degree. He has his own 24 hour "news" channel, he has the Sinclair stations, and of course there's all the far right radio and internet. Even the news sources that he does not control make everything about him and to him any news coverage is something he wants. He wants any attention he can get.

 

American nationalism has typically been white ethno-nationalist, or racial in character through most of our history, even the black nationalists in responding to it.

 

Dealing Donny selling statehood for GOP Senate seats.

 

How is that question even remotely legal?

 

Just when you thought it could not possibly get any worse.....

https://nypost.com/2018/06/16/kim-k...medium=site+buttons&utm_campaign=site+buttons

 

Because Trump can do whatever he wants.

 

People arguing with J-Rod again.



Please. Stop. At least @AhsokaSolo and @Bacon164 seem to be getting it.

 

so - you've got one Trump supporter . One ? Well yeah , that's a 'range of opinions' . I mean half your country voted Trump , and this forum struggles to allow one supporter ?

and this isn't a cue for the usual bunch to rush in and trash Trump , I'm asking seriously .

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Asking what seriously? That the forum struggles to "allow" one Trump supporter to post his views without condemning them? I don't even think that's something we should do, we shouldn't "allow" it without condemning it. We are very strongly opposed to them and see them as incredibly damaging, so why should we "allow" such views to be posted without condemning them harshly?

Personally, I don't really need a range of opinions on some of these issues, and I certainly don't need some of the terrible arguments we get here. I'm not really worried about the whole "echo chamber" thing. Doesn't bother me.

 

That's not true. Almost half the country didn't vote for anyone. And we do have a "range of opinions." Trump isn't the only thing people can disagree on.

Trump supporters just don't tend to last long here. Yeah, I react to their views with hostility, scorn and mockery. I don't see a problem with that because their views tend to be worthy of such treatment. I sometimes do that with liberal/"progressive" opinions as well.