Senate The US Politics discussion

Then please, make me aware.

But he's the president. If he's encouraging lawlessness, that's a problem. Just you you guys say Trump is doing. Why would it be OK for him?

Mexican presidential candidate Andrés Manuel López Obrador (AMLO) called for mass immigration to the United States during a speech Tuesday declaring it a “human right” for all North Americans.
Is it tho? Is living in the United States of America a human right for all North Americans?

And if it is, why only North Americans? Why not Central Americans? Or Europeans?

 

Isn’t this a weird phenomenon? The people closest to me that watch Fox News all are quick to point out that they watch CNN as well when tv news watching comes up... despite the fact that I am fairly certain they almost never watch CNN. I also hear a lot that Fox News is watched just for “entertainment,” not for news. I think with people I know, it’s apparent that there’s a shame factor in watching Fox News. I’m sure that’s probably because they know people they talk to, like me for example lol, judge Fox as a malevolent joke propaganda outlet. Yet, they don’t care what I or anyone thinks when it comes to their religion or anything else in their life, including their politics in general. It’s like deep down, they know there’s something wrong with it. They’re not ashamed because of my opinion of Fox News or yours, but their own.

 

I don't understand why the Mexican candidate guy would call for a mass immigration. Is he trolling? Could someone explain pls

 

Left-wing populist/nationalist party candidate. He's speaking to his clients x)

 

What lawlessness? Since when is encouraging migration lawlessness? What law is he violating?

edit: @J-Rod , you know what would be provocative for him? Demand financial reparations equal to the 1848 true market value of all of the lands and minerals we acquired from the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. That would be bold and provocative. But him encouraging migration to the north for his people to make a living? How dare he!

 

Migration is bad. That's why we're all still in East Africa.

 

Shame is probably part of it, but I also think it’s due to the nature of the rhetoric on Fox News as well as right-wing media like Infowars because their narratives are so dependent on conspiracy theories that you can’t discuss their “stories” in the context of traditional standards of journalism and truth, so they just have trouble carrying a conversation. I watch a few hours of Fox per month just to see what’s going on over there and it’s incredible the number of shadowy forces they believe are actively undermining society.

There are the Feminazis, who somehow are supposed to be emasculating our young men by softening or “policing” our culture, despite the undeniable fact that our television and movies are as graphically violent as ever and misogynistic pornography is legal and freely available to anyone. Then there’s Black Lives Matter, which are supposedly one or two steps away from disarming our police and transforming our suburbs into Robo Cop, despite the fact that violent crime and police deaths are actually at relatively historic lows. And then there’s my personal favorite: Anti-Fa, who are like super-anarchist-terrorists who are on the verge of blowing up a major city but in fact the worst they’ve done is punch white supremacists in the face and bust in a few Starbucks windows. And of course that is far more serious than frightening increases in mass-shootings.

It’s an alternate universe, like if I only watched and read Star Wars media my whole life (which I admit sounds appealing) and they have trouble carrying on a conversation outside of it.

 

The same law migrant families violate by seeking refuge in the US


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he's not the president, at least not yet. seems like a pretty basic detail you'd want to have a grasp on if you're gonna discuss u.s.-mexico relations. if you just want to skim articles on the daily caller that's fine, but really there's no need to rush in here to report your findings.

 

I'd ask my grandfather, who was a child immigrant to England from Ireland, during a time when Irish immigrants were demonised.
He wasn't locked in a cage, and his presence hasn't made England any worse.
Oh, wait, what I mean to say is that he'd say that the brewery you're sat in probably has nothing on the average Irish pub.

 

I called him "candidate", which means I was paying attention. Shouldn't you throw me a bone by answering my above question?

Mexico-to-US relations are complicated right now, so I suspected he was being facetious or vaguely threatening.

 

Personally, I'm all for a Mexican exodus that results in a mass exodus of white people who are racist and bitter about people of color wanting a better life for themselves.

So, I guess she doesn't care. Okay, then I guess I don't care about "Be Best" and any other thing you might be involved in.

 

Obrador is the the top polling Mexican presidential candidate; the election will be on July 1st. He represents a coalition of two left-wing parties and one right-wing party - Americans, try to wrap your heads around that one.
His position on Mexican emigration is that he wants Mexican citizens to stay in Mexico; in fact, one of his stated plans is to create a zone along the northern border (and possibly the southern as well) with lower taxes and higher wages. He's even talked about wanting to speak with Trump about working on the problem.
So, you can see the issue right here for Trump and company - they desire a belligerent Mexican President that they can hold up as one of the many 'enemies' of the US. But, as J-Rod was kind enough to demonstrate, they're already working on that problem.

Running his speech - the actual text - through Google Translate came up with this:
"And soon, very soon, to the triumph of our movement we are going to defend the migrants of the entire American continent and all the migrants of the world who, by necessity, have to leave their villages to seek life in the United States, it is a human right that we are going to defend."
And he wasn't "calling for mass immigration"; his speech was in response to the recent controversies regarding migrants in the US. As he's stated before, he wants a significant reduction in Mexican immigration to the US.
So the question is: Why would Daily Caller misquote him? Why would they ascribe a motivation to him that he did not profess? And why were they stupid enough to include the link to the actual original article?

 

You talk like you care about US/Mexico relations, but directly support a man that has directly negatively affected relations with his anti-mexican rhetoric and constant talk of a border wall he'll make them pay for.

But nooooooooooo. When they say something about the US, now it's time to get up in arms.

 

I have had a number of anecdotal experiences like this:

--During the election, a college student friend of the family who considers himself a moderate conservative voted for Trump in his state's primary. When I asked him what weighed into his decision, he admitted that all he did to "research" his vote (which was his first time voting) was to look at Trump's campaign website.

--During the election, a conservative friend of mine was posting clickbaity rabid anti-Hillary "news" stories on Facebook, none of which were from credible news sources. I suggested he use basic techniques like checking for the existence of the story from multiple sources, using sites like PolitiFact, Snopes, etc. to check specific claims, and using "media bias" evaluation sites as an aid to identifying credible sources to use as "go-to" news sources (including sources which are right of center in their editorial content but solid on factual reporting). He seemed completely unaware of these basic practices for evaluating information, and he has a college degree.

--Last week, a relative of mine with a college degree (from a prestigious school) and I were discussing news stories. I referred to Mike Pence by name and his first response was "who is that again?" When I said "uh...the Vice President!!!" he quickly said "oh yeah, that's right..." and maybe it was just some kind of momentary brain freeze...but it was kind of stunning.

Sometimes I feel guilty because when I go through busy periods, I am not always as informed on the latest details of complex news stories as I feel I should be, but I literally know people who never seem to watch, listen to, or read any credible news source on a regular basis. My friend mentioned in anecdote #2 above came to visit me and my husband some years ago. He stayed for about three or four days, and at the end of that time, he said that he'd seen more news at our house (mainly PBS) than he'd watched "in a year" on his own...

 

The thing is, a lot of moderates and liberals are also similarly ignorant about how our political system works and what's going on presently in politics. We don't only need to fear the rise of a smarter more devious demagogue on the right in the future. The rise of a liberal demagogue is becoming more likely too in these times of alt-reality "facts." A progressive demagogue wouldn't divide the country with all forms of bigotry as Trump has, but such a leader could be very dangerous to the country nonetheless, and they might even embrace anti-immigrant stance.

 

A lil Trump power grab you might not have heard of

Thankfully shot down.

 

Who did you have in mind, Huey Long III?

 

Public ignorance is definitely a problem, which I can only credit to our education system. Recently something has bothered me a lot. I follow a specific local news source on Facebook that I feel is pretty objective, but definitely the Trump crowds accuse of liberal bias. My state's two senators, one in particular, have been very very vocal against these kiddie concentration camps. The one made a big show of going down to Texas and demanding access to the sites only to be turned away. He live streamed it on Facebook. Since then, there have been a lot of stories about our senators fighting these camps. It's so weird how many people comment on articles about this, and received a lot of support for their comments, on how he/they need to focus on his/their own state. When someone would respond that a senator is actually our representative in the federal government and he doesn't run our state (in other words, civics 101), overwhelmingly the responses were mocking in tone and continued repeating the same nonsense. I don't know if Russian bots have taken over local news Facebook pages, maybe they have, but for some reason it doesn't feel like an exception to me that so much of the public is ignorant of the basic functioning of our government.

 

This is a silly post that has no idea that genocide is. Please research first then comment.

 

So this happened: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...rump-family-separation-immigration-autographs

The weird thing about this weird story is it actually makes total sense. Of course Trump would sign the portraits of people's murdered family members.

 

"the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation."

So I didn't misuse it. Please think then comment.

 

Political killings aren't generally considered genocide (though they often intersect), otherwise Stalin's purges would count.