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13 Binghazi's during the Bush admin, Fox news reported none of them

One thing. I do not recall hearing about these atatcks on any channel let alone Fox News and I have been watching the 24/7 news channels daily since 9/11.

Otherwise there is a definite hypocrisy by the GOP.

 

I'm not sure where to put this, but it had to be posted... the spire to the new World Trade Center building has finally been added. It now stands 1776 feet high, the tallest skyscraper in the Western hemisphere.

A picture of the crane putting it on this morning:

 

I just read about that today. The talking point is that it was built with union labor.

 

At this point, I pretty much Benghazi fatigued. That doesn't mean I don't care about the 4 people that tragically lost their lives or that I don't want to find out what happened, so that we can prevent something similar from happening in the future. But when you have the GOP/Tea Party and thier mouthpiece FOX hammering it again, and again, and again (and where was the coverage of the BOSTON Bombing hearings on FOX? To watch FOX yesterday, you would have thought the Benghazi hearings were the only thing of note yesterday). with their 'Gotcha' coverage and their occassional "Will this bring down the Obama Administration." Add to that Karl Rove putting out an ad slamming Hilary Clinton on it (that didn't take long and it's not even 2016 yet), I am just at the point where I don't ever ever want to hear the word Benghazi again.


Maybe that sounds a bit harsh considering what happened there, but when one side continues to harp on it and cry "CONSPIRACY!", then that's the feeling that's going to come out.

 

You watched the 24 hour news channels every day for 11 and a half years and you're just now figuring out the GOP hypocrisy?

 

NOT my point.

 

Well it's a good thing the Republican party never lied us into an unnecessary war or anything, or else they'd be looking like shameless hypocrites right about now.

 

This Binghazi nonsense should make like a tree and get the **** out.

 

Benghazi.

E.

Ye gods, people.

 

Bingenazi

 

The fact the GOP has spent more time criticizing HIllary for Benghazi then the President says it all. It is all about 2016 and damaging Hillary because if she decides to run......she will win and it will be by an even bigger margin then Obama did in 2012.

 

The media and the GOP will talk about the IRS issue for the next couple of weeks.......but from what I have read it seems fairly straightforward. Some hacks in the IRS started going after conservative groups, higher uppers in the IRS found out and squashed it in 2011 and implemented new procedures in 2012, and are now apologizing in 2013.

It is embarrassing and adds to the IRS unsavory reputation, but it ain't "Nixon like" which I have heard from some journalist(I am looking at you Joe Klein.......)

 

"Four dead Americans. FOUR DEAD AMERICANS. FOUR DEAD AMERICANS!"

It's like, yeah, so?

What about the thousands of dead Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan?

What about the dead Americans killed by guns because we can't get background checks?

What about all the Americans who are screwed out of health care because of the GOP, or soon will be? That kind of thing can lead to death, you know!

Since when has the GOP ever given a crap about killing off Americans who get in the way of their agenda?

Or is the problem that they simply don't get the whole concept of numbers?

 

Those make the GOP look bad rather than the Democrats, so they don't count.

 

The problem with Benghazi is three-fold:
1. Numerous requests for security in the wake of attacks in that area were ignored. Instead, the forces were drawn down.
2. There is the lack of response - and they seem to be less than straight about the options they had available.
3. Then there is the story afterward, including how Susan Rice ended up saying stuff that was not true on five Sunday shows. Hicks says they knew from the get-go it was an attack and there never was a protest.

I'll provide an example for #2: There were claims from folks in the Obama Administration that they didn't have tanker support to send planes from Europe. F-16s from Aviano Air Base wouldn't have needed tankers. Three drop tanks, and they have a ferry range of 2280 nautical miles. Round trip from Aviano to Benghazi is about 1,820 nautical miles - the Vipers would have had about 450 nautical miles worth of fuel left. A divert to Naval Air Station Sigonella would have cut the trip down to 1,350 nautical miles, give or take. The short version: Those F-16s may not have been able to save Ambassador Stevens and Sean Smith, but they could have given Woods and Doherty support and could have saved them.

 

This.

It's not that I think Benghazi is 'nothing' (although it's probably the next closest thing), but I tend to be skeptical of the same people hysterical over some questionable intelligence that resulted in 4 people dead that brought us the faulty intelligence of 4,500 dead in Iraq. So yeah.

The whole thing is nauseating coming from the right at this point. We have Graham, who's claiming it's worse than Iran-Contra. And Senator Inhofe suggesting impeachment.

 

Apples and oranges.

Iraq was a case writ large of a bad guy acting like he had a gun, and then getting shot by the cops who - not knowing any better - took the guy's blustering as a threat.

Benghazi was a case of ignoring months of repeated warnings, then lying to the American people for weeks about what really happened to protect Obama's re-election from what would have been a serious blow to the credibility of one of his main campaign talking points ("al-Qaeda is on the run"). There never was a protest outside the consulate, and they knew that as early as 12 September, 2012, yet they told a completely different story that damaged relations with the new Libyan government.

Your self-righteousness is nauseating. I don't think that progressives have ever really loved this country.

 

Smuggler! Been so long since we've seen you around these parts. I so vividly remember your proclamations of doom for the Obama campaign and musings about how Romney was going to win. It's like it was yesterday.

 

This is why I don't take your opinion seriously.