The Video Game Draft Version 2.0 Beta

Chrono Trigger

Ayla
Dalton
Flea
Frog
Lucca
Marle
Ozzie
Robo
Slash

Final Fantasy

Terra Branford (VI)
Locke Cole (VI)
Edgar Roni Figaro (VI)
Sabin Rene Figaro (VI)
Celes Chere (VI)
Setzer Gabbiani (VI)
Shadow (VI)
Cyan Garamonde (VI)
Mog (VI)
Gogo (VI)
Relm Arrowny (VI)
Strago Magus (VI)
Umaro (VI)
Ultros (VI)
Barret Wallace (VII)
Tifa Lockheart (VII)
Aerith Gainsborough (VII)
Red XIII (VII)
Yuffie Kisaragi (VII)
Cid Highwind (VII)
Zack (VII)
Rinoa Heartilly (VIII)
Quistis Trepe (VIII)
Zell Dincht (VIII)
Irvine Kinneas (VIII)
Selphie Tilmitt (VIII)
Seifer Almasy (VIII)
Laguna Loire (VIII)
Fujin (VIII)
Raijin (VIII)
Kiros Seagill (VIII)
Vivi Ornitier (IX)
Adelbert Steiner (IX)
Freya Crescent (IX)
Amarant Coral (IX)
Eiko Carrol (IX)
Wakka (X)
Kimahri Ronso (X)
Lulu (X)
Rikku (X)
Ashe (XII)
Balthier (XII)
Basch fon Ronsenberg (XII)
Fran (XII)
Penelo (XII)
Vaan (XII)
Marche (Tactics Advance)
MontBlanc (Tactics Advance)

Guilty Gear

Axl Low
Chipp Zanuff
Dizzy
Ky Kiske
Millia Rage
Potemkin
Slayer
Sol Badguy
Testament

Killer Instinct

Cinder
Eyedol
Fulgore
Glacius
Jago
Riptor
Sabrewulf
Spinal

Metal Gear

Big Boss
Colonel Volgin
Liquid Snake
Psycho Mantis
Raiden
Revolver Ocelot
Solid Snake
Solidus Snake
The Boss
Vulcan Raven

Mortal Kombat

Blaze
Cyrax
Ermac
Goro
Johnny Cage
Kano
Kenshi
Kintaro
Kitana
Kung Lao
Liu Kang
Mileena
Motaro
Noob Saibot
Quan Chi
Reptile
Scorpion
Shang Tsung
Shao Kahn
Sheeva
Smoke
Sub-Zero

Resident Evil

Ada Wong
Albert Wesker
Alexia Ashford
Billy Coen
Bitores Mendez
Chris Redfield
Jack Krauser
Jill Valentine
Leon S. Kennedy
Mr. X
Nemesis
Osmund Saddler
Tyrant

Street Fighter

Akuma
Chun-Li
Gill
Guile
Ken Masters
M. Bison
Ryu
Sagat
Vega

Soul Caliber

Abyss
Astaroth
Cervantes de Leon
Edge Master
Heishiro Mitsurugi
Inferno
Kilik
Nightmare
Siegfried Schtauffen
Yoshimitsu
Zasalamel

Suikoden Series

Jowy Atreides (II)
Clive (I & II)
Ferid Egan (V)
Flik (I & II)
Frey Falenas (V)
Futch (I, II & III)
Geddoe (III)
Hugo (III)
Jeane (I, II, III, IV & V)
Chris Lightfellow (III)
Lyon (V)
Luc (I, II & III)
Mazus (II)
Pesmerga (I & II)
Georg Prime (II & V)
Richard (V)
Riou (II)
Sasarai (II & III)
Viktor (I & II)
Yuber (I, II & III)
Zerase (V)

Tekken

Jin Kazma
Jinpachi Mishima
Jun Kazama
Kazuya Mishima
Marshall Law
Nina Williams
Paul Phoenix
True Ogre

Xenogears/Xenosaga

Bartholomew Fatimi (Xenogears)
Billy Lee Black (Xenogears)
Citan Uzuki (Xenogears)
Dominia (Xenogears)
Elly Van Houten (Xenogears)
Emeralda Kasim (Xenogears)
Kahran Ramsus (Xenogears)
Kelvena (Xenogears)
Seraphita (Xenogears)
Tolone (Xenogears)
Jin Uzuki (Xenosaga)
Jr. (Xenosaga)
Margulis (Xenosaga)
MOMO (Xenosaga)
Shion Uzuki (Xenosaga)
Ziggy (Xenosaga)

OTHER

James Bond (007 series)
Dark Link (Adventure of Link)
Pimple (Battletoads)
Rash (Battletoads)
Zitz (Battletoads)
Rayne (BloodRayne)
Richter Belmont (Castlevania)
Simon Belmont (Castlevania)
Sypha Belnades (Castlevania)
Trevor Belmont (Castlevania)
Kid (Chrono Cross)
Lynx (Chrono Cross)
Serge (Chrono Cross)
Lance Bean (Contra)
Bill Rizer (Contra: Shattered Soldier)
Lucia (Contra: Shattered Soldier)
Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot)
Crypto (Destroy All Humans)
JC Denton (Deus Ex)
Lady (Devil May Cry)
Nevan (Devil May Cry)
Trish (Devil May Cry)
The Phantom (Devil May Cry)
Donky Kong (Donkey Kong/Mario)
Abobo (Double Dragon)
Billy Lee (Double Dragon)
Jimmy Lee (Double Dragon)
Earthworm Jim (Earthworm Jim)
Evil Jim (Earthworm Jim)
Jack Carver (Far Cry)
Cody (Final Fight)
Guy (Final Fight)
Haggar (Final Fight)
Giffca (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance)
King Kilvas (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance)
Mist (Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance)
Oscar (Fire Emblem: Path of Radi

Some of the guys who did really well last time might have a chance, although I couldn't really see them on it.

Seifer Almasy
Shadow
Sol Badguy (just the name)
Megaman
Jubei
The Prince (wasn't he there last time?)

Not sure who else, but those are some possibilities.

Doesn't Ryu project enough chi to comletely level a multi story building? He's pretty much the best hand to hand out there, and just because he's not in an RPG doesn't mean his chi attacks aren't something to be reckoned with. There are characters on the PL who can't cause that much destruction. Or maybe Akuma, since he's better than Ryu. What about the Queen from Tactics? What about that chick from NIN or whatever it is? I haven't played it, so I don't know if it's any good, but for draft purposes a couple of the characters from Godhand might be good adds. What about some Dragon Quest people? Just throwin some stuff out there.

We should put Mewtwo on the powerlist,

We could also add some other Pokemon.

EDIT:

Actually, We should put Ash on the powerlist!

Evil.

Er, which Ryu are we on now?

'cause I don't recall Street Fighter Ryu being able to do that in the games...

He's talking about the one from Ninja Gaiden, Ryu Hiyuwhatever.

Evil.

No, I meant Street Fighter. I know it doesn't show him do it in the games, but it doesn't show that he can't do it. B level stuff doesn't mean you just completely disregard it because it has no mention at all in the games.

You guys did that with Jafar ALL THE TIME.

You actually forgot to put Lady on the PL. Since Shurron thinks Lady can take Lucia and all. I haven't played DMC3 yet.



~Liar, lawyer, Mirror for ya, What's the difference? Kangaroo be stoned, He's guilty as the government~

No, Jafar actually had A level stuff that contradicted his B level stuff. Like being stunned by a shot to the gut. lamezors.

Being sucker punched doesn't eliminate nigh-ultimate powerzzzz!@1!!1!

You actually forgot to put Lady on the PL. Since Shurron thinks Lady can take Lucia and all. I haven't played DMC3 yet.

I don't think either of them should be on there. Not a fan of several of the new additions, actually, like taking the ability to prep away from Ratchet seems pretty lame to me, and probably isn't going to be such a great move in the long run. We'll see, I guess.

I'm thinking guys like Badguy, Jubei and Seifer belong on there over a couple we have now. Any one of them would own Lucia, for example.

But as for one more addition: Well, uh, since we have a couple Final Fantasy Tactics Advance characters on the RL, and that game is good, but pure crap compared to the original, let's put a FFT character on the list. How about Cidolfas Orlandu for the PL? T.G. Cid, baby! The Thunder God!

EDIT: Akuma is a possibility, maybe. Maybe. But I like leaving some good options for the RL, I guess.

As far as I'm concerned, we can go with this PL for this draft, that's fine. But after it's over, we're probably going to have to sit back and reevaluate what constitutes a real PL pick. A lesson learned the hard way is a lesson learned best. A fortune cookie told me that.

Zizz, I am gonna have to go ahead and disagree with all of those, except maybe Jubei, and its only because I don't know him too well.

Most of those guys (Shadow, MM, etc...) definitely need prep to do as well as they did. And Seifer either got super screwed on the judging of his power level or got super screwed on the numbers. So yeah....

Isn't Jubei Yagyu more or less on the same level as Samonosuke? I've only played 1 and 2, though, so I don't know if 3 hyped Samonosuke's power level that much higher.

And FFT is another game I wish it had shown its face here.

IMO, PL characters are those that, without trumping or prep, can take out a majority of the RLers with the same condition, and can also hang with most of the other PLers without getting smashed OTKed.

Nah, not really. They're both good, but Sammy's clearly better. He and Jubei get their powers from different sources, and yeah, Jubei beat Nobunaga, but not at his peak. The Naganooch in part 3 is much more powerful and owns Sammy at the beginning of the game. It's only after Sammy get's more power, more experience and absorbs a whole second gauntlet that he can put him down for good.

But Jubei really could still be a lower-level PL pick.

OTKed huh? Out-Total-Knocked?


I just think that if you put people who are boarderline, on the PL, then they won't get played. Then I feel bad for them.

One-Turn-Kill. Basically obliterating the opponent in just one shot.

Well then let's take off Lucia and put Sol Badguy, Seifer and Jubei on it. They'd make good picks for PLers I think. Shadow and MegaMan need prep, IMO. Kinda like Ratchet.



~Liar, lawyer, Mirror for ya, What's the difference? Kangaroo be stoned, He's guilty as the government~

I actually don't really like the addition of an extra PLer. Seems like it's taking away a lot of options, for preps and whatnot, for a few of the characters that are being forced on there (against their WILL! ).

The 3 preps is a great idea, and the expansion from 10 to 12 is another good one, but I just like the original list (with a few of the newer additions - and no one bumped to the PL) a lot better. Just my opinion though.

I say we cut the PL down to 32 and everyone only gets two, because there really are only a slim amount of people who actually blow everyone else out of the water. Plus some of those PLers, like Ike(Fire Emblem), are not really all that super great. nawamsain?


Screw the PL, if someone can manage to snag twelve people that absolutely own everyone else then they deserve them.

Like Durron's team in the first draft. I didn't read the whole thing, but didn't he have...

Seph
Ares
Grahf
Solid Snake

Can't remember the others, but that top three is ridiculous.

And I don't know if your post was sarcasm, but I actually like that idea. Way too much seperation between the top tiered PLers and the bottom feeders. Plus it would reward good drafting more with a smaller PL. Although the teams would probably be less even.

Ares, Sephiroth, Grahf, Vergil, Dark Samus and Mother Brain were my big guns. And I had Big Boss, not Solid.

EDIT: And yeah, I could deal with that. The reducing of the PL seems like a smarter move to me, actually. But we can't make it an even 32, though. Gotta leave people some flexibility in their choices, ya know. 38 or so sounds about right. Maybe an even 40 or so.

Yeah, well if we only use two PLers then that means that there will be a whole lot more RLers needed to fill the spots. The RL draftees from last draft were horrible, imagine having to choose even more from that list. The list was pretty well picked over from last time and it was rough, at least I thought that was the general census.

Hmm, that would make your fighting team 1/5 PLs, 1/3 Preps and 1/2 Regulars. If you have 2 PLs, 3 Preps, 1 trump-pair, and 3 normal fighters... does that seem balanced? Or is 3 PLs better? I'd rather go with 3 PLs and shave about 20 off the list than 2 PLs and shave 35.

Uh... what? Well, first off, cutting certain picks from the PL would just basically transfer them to the RL. And they didn't suck. It just so happened that their weren't very many RL picks that consistantly had good draws throughout the draft. That's all. You can't expect every character to have sterling records.

EDIT: Problem with keeping it at three PL picks per team is that, if we keep the lower-level of the PL the same as it was the last draft, a very strong case could be made for a lot of these new additions to be able to hang with and/or beat a whole lot of the lesser PL picks. And then the question becomes: well why aren't they on there? Well, we're seeing why. It's too crowded now, and some of the new PL picks are pretty dubious.

And I don't want the idea to be that we shouldn't keep adding more picks to draft in general, so really, the solution to be to make the PL for the absolute cream of the crop. Let's face it. Some of the current PL picks woul be completely obliterated by guys like Dante or Sephiroth in a matter of seconds. That doesn't exactly look like PL-worthiness to me.