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Discussion in 'Community' started by Mr44, Nov 27, 2003.

  1. Mr44

    Mr44 VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well, don't you think that's a bit like the middle age guy who was captain of his football team in high school reflecting on his "glory days?" What you're saying is a bit complicated, don't you think?

    Ship for ship, the Dutch Navy at its peak in the 1600's probably eclipsed the British Navy of the 1800's, if one factored in the 200 year difference. In the early 1600's, Amsterdam was the center of world trade. As a result, the Dutch pioneered an entirely new class of ship, switching from the heavy man-o-war as it was called, to what would become known as the frigate, which was a sleeker, longer range fighting ship. Of course, Dutch dominance was short, because starting in the late 1600's, France engaged in an orgy of military action, which resulted in constant war in Europe, and basically ended up bankrupting everyone, including the Netherlands. England filled the void as a result.

    The pre- WWII Japanese navy dominated the Eastern half of the world. As an example, in 1905, what is known as the battle of Tsushima, the Japanese navy decimated Russia, in what was for all purposes, the first modern naval battle fought of the previous era. Japan sunk 21 ships and captured 13 more with only a loss of 3 small unarmored boats. The result was that Russia would not really field a navy again for 50 years. Just prior to WWII, unlike the royal navy, the Japanese invested in carriers early on. Japan had more carriers, and no less than 12 battleships by 1941.

    Which leads us to the US Navy of 1941. At the time of the Pearl Harbor attack in Dec. 1941, the US had 7 aircraft carriers. Just 4 years later, the US Navy had 28 carriers. Even though the Japanese imperial navy was the strongest in the world, the US Navy never lost a battle after 1942, and removed Japan as a naval power. And this also factors in the US fought a "two ocean war," in the Atlantic and the Pacific. Currently, the US is the world's only sea power.

    One could also look to earlier times, but comparisons start to get a little difficult to do. The Greek navy of 480BC ruled the Aegean Sea. The Chinese navy of the Ming Dynasty (roughly 1450) with its fabled "treasure ships," and so on...

    I guess it just depends on what one is looking for. The Dutch had roughly 70 years of naval domination. Britain had roughly 100 years of naval domination. Japan had half a century of naval domination. The US is in its 7th decade of naval domination. It all balances out in the end.
     
  2. Sarge

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    This is a fairly crappy excuse for a video, and as an engineer I have serious reservations about the practicality and usefulness of this plan. But my inner fanboy would love it.
     
  3. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Eh, no. Honestly I don't even see what good it was to modernize the Iowas back in the 80's. Any theater where the Kirovs would be operating in would be more than important enough to attract the attention of one or more aircraft carrier battle groups, and any such confrontation would end only one way...with the Kirovs at the bottom of the ocean. Heck, even in World War II the Iowas didn't do much of anything...they were just expensive anti-aircraft escorts. I'm kinda scratching my head as to how they managed to acquire such a legendary status.

    Anyway, the Navy's already scraping the bottom of the barrel trying to come up with the money for the F-35, new carriers, new missile subs. and just trying to keep ships regularly maintained. The last thing they'd need is to add the Iowas back into the fleet.
     
  4. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    U.S. military reviewing its rules after fitness trackers exposed sensitive data
     
  5. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    I used to jog perimeter roads in Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, etc. Now I'm glad I never got into Fitbit or those kinds of trackers.
     
  6. Sith_Sensei__Prime

    Sith_Sensei__Prime Chosen One star 6

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    US Navy releases video of a Russian fighter jet buzzing one of its planes

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    I guess Russia has their own "Maverick."
     
  7. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Did he flip him the birdski?
     
  8. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    lol, so our military's cybersecurity experts never picked up on this potential security breach? Then again, considering we got the F-35 blueprints stolen by China and Russia hacking the DNC, I guess we get an F in cyberdefense.
     
  9. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Alpha-Red and Sarge like this.
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