This is my first post in SFF, as I hoped others would want to talk about how deep the rabbit hole goes. The old threads on The Matrix series, in the [link=http://boards.theforce.net/the_amphitheatre/b10382/11231576/p1]Amphitheatre[/link] and here in [link=http://boards.theforce.net/science_fiction_and_fantasy_films_and_television/b10748/22773628/p1/]SFF[/link] were great, but I hoped we could take another look at the Matrix feed, if you will. Just to get things rolling, let me quote what I'd proposed over in the Amphitheatre thread: ------ Each Matrix film is just as philosophical as another, it's just that they cover different areas and themes. Generally, they are about: M1 - Birth/Awareness (self) M2 - Life/Love (world) M3 - Death/Sacrifice (universe) ...and philosophically: M1 - Epistemology/Mind (self) M2 - Ethics/Morality (world) M3 - Ontology/Metaphysics (universe) There is a relatively complete and consistent, even Neo-Kantian, system of Philosophy described through the simulations within the movies, and the layers of metaphorical signposts from our cultures are prolific. The sequels are harder to get into, but just as rewarding. After all, the sequels couldn't just repeat the same Platonic-Cartesian mental reality puzzles from M1. ...Some fans seem to have wanted the first film to be remade two times, because that's what most sequels are, right? These films were written together as a true trilogy, and operate as a trilogy on many levels, beyond just the Lucas approach to trilogies as "acts" with repeated themes...there is actually much more going on philosophically in M2 and M3, but most people fail to notice it, because they seem to want more of the "brain in a vat" theory, as if that were the only thing about the Matrix or Philosophy in general, and as if the first film didn't drive the point home clearly enough. Beyond the entertainment layers, M2 and M3 are actually hard - hard to figure out, and perhaps, hard to appreciate by the mass culture. The first film is easy for anyone to understand and like, at least on the first few levels. I always remember what Cornell West said while filming Reloaded and Revolutions, something like: "There are 40 layers going on in these films. Some people only come away appreciating 1 or 5, others can appreciate all 40." ------ So for SFF, I wanted to toss these ideas up for discussion, see what you think, and ask how you feel about The Matrix, now that almost 4 years has passed since the completion, over 8 since the first appeared. The hype is long gone, but Philosophy-types like me were all pretty excited by this series back in the day. Yet, there were connections for just about anybody, all kinds of views on what the story meant, and it's as relevant now as ever. What did you enjoy then, and what do you think now?