PT Things in TPM you thought would come back

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  1. WhiskeyGold Force Ghost

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    When I first saw TPM there were some signs I thought of things to come. However I was wrong. Did Lucas change his mind or did I read to much in to stuff? Here some I had. What did you have?

    1> Thought Anakin would return to free the slaves like he said he had dreams about
    2> Anakin would return to watto's shop to get the skin for 3PO and finish him. There is a body(skin) in watto's shop
    3> Anakin gives Padme the necklace he made for her. I though for sure we would see that again.
    4> thought we find out more of what Quinn-Jin did to upset the council
  2. None Force Ghost

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    The japor snippet is in Padme's hands in her casket at the end of RotS:
    [image=http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/d/db/Amidalafuneral.jpg]
  3. ezekiel22x Force Ghost

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    I thought the Naboo starfighter might stick around in II and III as Anakin's signature ship in the manner that Luke had his X-Wing. That's actually one of my only "would could have been" laments related to the new films, if for no other reason than I simply love the design. Thematically, though, I can likewise appreciate that Anakin doesn't get to retain the physical link to that moment of youthful achievement, but later on in a moment of brash, semi-rebellious action makes sure that he swipes the yellow speeder.
  4. HevyDevy Jedi Grand Master

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    Anakin's dreams are prophetic, so this can be seen as a metaphor for what Vader/Anakin does at the end of ROTJ. By killing himself and the Emperor he frees the galaxy (the "slaves" to the Empire). I think most people know of this interpretation though. It is one of many visions (that come true) that Anakin sees in a dream. He dreamed he would be a Jedi, he dreamed he would marry Padme, and he foresaw Shmi and Padme's deaths and so on.
    And on top of all of that, from a POV he "frees" Shmi from the Tuskens moments before her death.

    How'd ya miss that? There is a close up of the snippet in the scene pointed out above. While I'm on that topic, did anyone find it ironic Anakin said it will bring her good fortune? Maybe I'm being morbid, but this makes seeing it at Padme's funeral seem like she was doomed from the start. That sounds kind of harsh to the lovers though...

    Interesting point. There are a few hints of this during the prequels, such as Dooku's comment in AOTC that Qui-Gon knew about the corruption in the Senate, but wouldn't have gone along with it if he knew Sidious was controlling it directly.
    What conflicts the characters (such as Obi-Wan and Yoda) are referencing, hard to say. Whatever it was, Yoda and Obi-Wan certainly learn from his example after the fall of the Republic. Petty squables forgotten, perhaps, as Yoda becomes Qui-Gon's "apprentice" at the end of ROTS, and most likely adapts to less regimented teaching methods and philosophies. He does, after all, take Luke on as an apprentice, when he is far older than even Anakin was before beginning training. IMO Yoda and Obi-Wan are far more in tune with the living force in the OT, and take things as they come to them, rather than the more dominant way the Jedi control the force in the prequels. Just my opinion.
    I like Qui-Gon though, so I'm probably biased.
  5. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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  6. Riven_JTAC Jedi Grand Master

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    End of thread.
  7. MandalorianDuchess Jedi Master

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    Darth Maul. Oh, wait, never mind :oops:
  8. WhiskeyGold Force Ghost

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    Right about the necklace. Haven't watche rots in a while and forgot about that
  9. EHT Manager: New Films

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    Beat me to it.

    Regarding the japor snippet necklace being in ROTS, we also see it once before the funeral procession too; Padme is wearing it when she asks Anakin about his nightmare, and he says "I remember when I gave that to you".
  10. QuangoFett Force Ghost

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    Not to mention the yellow Jedi starfighter at the beginning of ROTS that combines the sleekness and agility of Obi-Wan's fighter in AOTC with the design elements of Vader's TIE Advanced in ANH and the yellow colour scheme of the Naboo starfighter.
  11. Arawn_Fenn Chosen One

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    I prefer the AOTC fighter.
  12. BoromirsFan Jedi Grand Master

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    I thought Qui-Gon would be back. Then I watched the movie. Poor Qui-Gon.
  13. EHT Manager: New Films

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    Don't give the writers of TCW any ideas. :p
  14. StarWarrior92 Jedi Master

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  15. CaptainGiladPellaeon Jedi Knight

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    I never felt like it was sufficiently explained why Sidious invaded Naboo, tried so hard to get the treaty signed between Amidala and the Federation, tried to keep Amidala from going back to Naboo, wanted to wipe out all of the Naboo resistence, etc.

    I get that Sidious needed a crisis involving Naboo in order to set his campaign for the Chancellor-ship in motion, of course, but that doesn't explain why he seemed so intent on the Federation winning the conflict with the Naboo--to the point that he risked a Sith apprentice he'd been training for decades in battle on behalf of the Federation's interests. Of course, a bit more clarity about how Dooku fits into the timeline of Sidious' schemes might shed some light on that problem. Was Sidious just trying to strengthen the Federation's hand because he was already planning the Clone Wars and knew the Federation would be a key player in the Separatist Confederacy. Nothing is ever stated for certain. There were all kinds of rumors among Star Wars fans about the specific importance of Naboo to Sidious' schemes, back in 1999-2000, but that all came to nothing.

    Watching Episode I in the theaters again last week I was reminded of one of the lines from the movie with the most promise and the least pay off:

    Qui-Gon: There is something else behind all this, your Highness. There's no logic in the Federation's move here.

    Qui-Gon's right. There's no logic in their move. Not by the end of the movie. Not by the end of the prequel trilogy.
  16. PrincessKenobi New Films Manager of DOOM

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    I think he chose Naboo because that is where he is from. And with having that connection he would seem personally interested in wanting the blockade to end. Being a powerful Sith, I'm sure he knew the jedi would escape the planet with Padme and bring her back to Coruscant. Anakin just happened to be a happy surprise for him.
  17. JEDI-RISING Force Ghost

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    Well the Naboo starfighter was in the beginning of ATOC escorting Amidala's ship.
  18. EHT Manager: New Films

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    Yes, and being the senator from the planet in question benefitted him when Valorum was ousted and Palpatine became a candidate for chancellor. He even referred to it as a sympathy vote, which helped his chances against the other candidates.
  19. Cushing's Admirer Force Ghost

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    I thought I'd see BlueGhost Liam. :(
  20. CaptainGiladPellaeon Jedi Knight

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    That explains why he chose to blockade and invade Naboo. It doesn't explain why he tried so hard to help the Federation forces win the conflict. Was he just trying to save face with them? But they didn't even know he had an apprentice until he brought it up, so why did he risk/waste his apprentice on their errands? Imagine if he never sent Maul to Tattooine, much less Naboo. Amidala makes it to Coruscant (as she did anyway), Palpatine uses Amidala and the Naboo situation to set his election plans in motion, Amidala goes back to Naboo and frees her planet (perhaps with a little more ease, in Maul's absence) and Palpatine gets elected in the mean time. It's the exact same outcome for Palpatine whether the Federation wins or loses, as soon as the invasion of Naboo starts, so what does he care if some treaty gets signed helping the Federation maintain control of the planet and whatnot? Was he just worried that Amidala's efforts would end the conflict too early and erode his sympathy votes before he could get himself elected? It's unclear.
  21. -polymath- SFF:F/TV Trivia Host

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    The snippet was scene both at the funeral and during the hair brush scene on Coruscant in RotS.
  22. PrincessKenobi New Films Manager of DOOM

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    I would say he was worried she might end it early. He had to set it up so she could escape and see the senate as it was corrupt. And thus cast the vote of no confidence in Vallurm. She had to be led to believe that everything happened in committees and things to make her feel like the plight of her people didn't matter.

    With Maul, I really don't think Palpatine planned on the Jedi surviving. And even if they did I don't think he planned on them ever making it off the ship.
  23. Dark Lady Mara Manager Emeritus

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    I think you could argue the opposite, too. Maybe Palps didn't expect Maul to survive. He sent his apprentice out solely so the Jedi would encounter him and report back to the Council, shaking up the entire Order.
  24. Alexrd Force Ghost

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    Indeed.
  25. DRush76 Force Ghost

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    I think he chose Naboo because that is where he is from. And with having that connection he would seem personally interested in wanting the blockade to end.


    The invasion would also generate sympathy on his behalf, clearing the way for him to become the new chancellor. Padme's declaration of no confidence against Vallorum helped in the end.
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