Third Installment of the 2007 Jedi Draft [USWD Trial Underway]

Winners Bracket:

Team Rufio is just chillin.

Losers Bracket:

Ko He shin (2) vs. Emperor's New Groove (3)

P2

Tycho Celchu TRUMPED with Gavin Darklighter vs. Maarek Stele TRUMPED with Lumiya (Prepared by Gilad Paelleon)

 

I'm certainly glad I'm not judging this one. That's going to be one nasty fight.

 

I'd argue that any small difference between Tycho and Stele is completely overshadowed by the large difference between Gavin and Lumiya. Throw in Tycho and Gavin's much much stronger Cohesion (flying together from Rogue Squadron through Vision of the Future, and working together after), I say they'd overcome the advantage that prep gives them.

 

Yeah, an interesting fight, but I don't see Tycho and Gavin losing it. Too much cohesion for the other squad to overcome. And, really, it probably goes Stele > Tycho > Gavin >>> Lumiya, to be honest. Prep time gives Lumiya and Stele the initial advantage, but they won't hold it for long.

 

Yeah, close, but I agree

 

So Gavin's forfeit hits Turr TRUMPED with Jagged (prepared by Thrawn)
Lumiya's forfeit hits Vader (Prepared by Judder)
Fel's forfeit hits Tiin

Winners Bracket:

Team Rufio is just chillin.

Losers Bracket:

Ko He shin (5) vs. Emperor's New Groove (4)

So NF2 decides it ...

Durge (prepared by Judder Page) vs. Jango Fett

 

I think Durge takes this. Prep lets him know about all of Jango's assorted weaponry and tricks; on the other hand, Jango unprepped is going to be hard presed to deal with Durge.


I think prepped Fett would take Durge, but unprepped? naw.

 

Turr and Jag prepped with Thrawn would have been a better draw for me..


I may be wrong about this, but wasn't it the Mandalorians that trapped Durge in the first place. Wouldn't that mean that Jango, even without prep knows all about Durge already. I mean Jango is a Mando right? That always confused me. So as soon as he sees him he will know exactly what he is dealing with. Plus Jango has fought Jedi before hand, therefore he is always ready for anything. Jango knows how to fight and what it takes to win and even unprepped Jango has been able to deal with the biggest wild card in the galaxy and survive. That wild card being...the FORCE.

 

No. You switch the preps and you got a good fight on your hands. I'm not certain I see anyone on the list who can take down Durge without prep time in non-Force allowed combat.

Durge wins.

 

Hordes of Yuuzhan Vong - without the Force.

 

Actually he did that without a lightsaber too.

 

Bah. Assuming you mean the seedship, it was a unique situation that his affinity for animals allowed him to exploit- he was covered in amphistaffs, which means he was better armed/armored than just having a single lightsabre, really. Also, it wasn't deadly skill that allowed him to succeed- he was smart enough to target the control over the slaves which created a completely chaotic situation. That wasn't a Ganneresque example of mowing down Vong. He also had the advantage of that seed in his chest which allowed him to work with the future world brain. That situation wasn't an example of skill- it was an example of when Jacen had an IQ above that of a sack of hammers. Totally not comparable to facing someone like Anakin one on one.

But you're right, if this fight had taken place without the force on a Yuzhaan Vong seed ship, Jacen totally would beat Anakin.

 

He wasn't working with the world brain until after the revolt, cause, you know, he was trying to kill them at the time - all the world brains were working AGAINST him via the slave seed while he was mowing down Vong. But yes, he was smart enough to initiate a revolt so that he'd maybe only have to kill thirty Yuuzhan Vong himself with an unfamiliar weapon without any kind of precognitive reaction enhancing field of vision widening Force powers(the first one completely unarmed) instead of hundreds. Sure, he wouldn't have succeeded without that. But then, without skill, this tactical move would have been irrelevant. Because he'd be dead.

I'm guessing take it you've never fought multiple opponents before. Or at all. Because your skepticism of this as a feat of skill is completely lol. Completely. The martial art I am currently studying has the highest level of skill below complete mastery as being able to fight two or three competent people, IIRC. Why? Because that's a typical limitation when your field of vision is only one hundred something degrees, and you have two arms and two legs, and your enemies have the same times however many there are. Anything beyond that is mastery, because its nearly impossible, even against untrained opponents, much less trained warriors. Before the slave revolt even came into full force, he had to dispatch the squad that initially started the confrontation. Without the Force. Meaning, with his own instincts and techniques adapted to a weapon he'd never used before.

Btw, if you recall, Ganner created a chaotic situation(they dueled him one on one for a while...before they all rushed him he had a pile of bodies to use to his advantage) but we recognize it for the feat it is.

Really, even if Jacen fought three of these guys Forceless it would be an immense show of pure skill. Seriously.

 

That situation wasn't an example of skill- it was an example of when Jacen had an IQ above that of a sack of hammers.

Uh huh. Honestly I don't know how in the world you could come to the conclusion that Jacen Solo doesn't show skill even just in the few pages before he sprints into battle in Chapter Five. Then again, your neglect to mention his actions before he forms the amphistaffs around him, assumption of the dhuryam's aid even before the shreeyam'tiz was destroyed, and ignorance to the fact that the slaves of the other dhuryams also became his enemies after that point, where still "All he did was walk and kill," leads to the belief that you probably haven't actually picked up the book in awhile.

But you're right, if this fight had taken place against a Jacen Solo circa Traitor, Skywalker could probably still pull it out.

Totally not comparable to facing someone like Anakin one on one.

Oh, wait, that's right-- this isn't Jacen Solo circa Traitor.

And while LotF might've been rather forgettable, he did face an unBantamized Luke Skywalker one-on-one. Which is kind of comparable to facing someone like Anakin, to throw a dodgeball at an aircraft carrier.

 

No they weren't. His world brain was with him the entire time- Thus Vergre conving him not to kill it, thus the weapons that it had it's slaves hid all over the place. And he killed the first UNARMED UNARMORED warrior because the warrior bullrushed him.

But he wasn't limited to his field of vision, was he?

The first two he kills are unarmed and unarmored, and one at a time. With 17 amphistaffs on him, its not a big deal. And, yes, it is more than I would do, but I'd expect any competent Jedi apprentice to be able to do the same. And after that, he kills one armed and armored warrior before setting off the thudbugs that release the slaves, and getting knocked out for a moment.

So lets be clear- without the slaves and the ensuing ruckus, he killed three Vong, two of them who had no weapons or armor. Not 30. Not even close.

Too bad he didn't do that. yeah, Jacen's got some skills, but that's not his strong suite, per se.


KoalaKid:

What actions? Throwing one unarmed and unarmored dude into the grove? And the dhyurams became his enemies, sure- but they had no idea what was going on and just clustered their slaves around themselves. Their unarmed slaves, who also helped Jacen by wiping out the guards around the Dhyurams. As opposed to Jacen's Dhyuram, which was organized and had weapons hidden for it's slaves and gave him a freaking escort. A

 

What's with people pulling Shurrons nowadays? If you don't want to argue a point, don't bring it up to begin with, instead of this pussy "but I know how this will go and I dont feel liek it" ****.

 

Um, yeah, Durge

 

Alright, fine, go ahead and respond. I'll keep going. Its stupid, but fine. No need to throw a hissy fit.

 

Why?

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That's why.

Jacen burgles turds. Deal.

 

Winners Bracket:

Team Rufio is just chillin.

Losers Bracket:

Ko He shin (6) vs. Emperor's New Groove (4)

Ko He shin wins. Now, if only we could move on from the Anakin-Caedus match.



Team Rufio vs. Ko He shin

One win for Rufio wins it, two wins for Ko He shin. You can send in one, or two sets of numbers this time guys. Just get them in in the next 24 hours.

 

I'm not throwing a hissy fit. Really, it doesn't bother me that much. I just don't understand, is all.

 

Nigel: Just to set this up, even though there are somewhat two strains of debate going on there, I kind of replied in correction to some of your response to Zooks in addition to respond to your comments to me, considering it's all pretty much in the same main argument.

And then I suppose we could move on from that match. Or right now. Actually I wasn't planning on typing any of this up but Zooks convinced me to. Kind of. Cause I also get to steer clear from the whole "I have an argument but just don't feel like it" thing.

But yeah feel free to skip this and continue on with your actual life and such. I think both Skywalker and Jacen are pretty rad myself, as far as the original matchup goes.


No they weren't. His world brain was with him the entire time- Thus Vergre conving him not to kill it, thus the weapons that it had it's slaves hid all over the place.

Nah, that's not quite true.

Fact is, the dhuryam, not yet a World Brain, was telepathically disrupted until after the shreeyam'tiz was destroyed. In fact, not only is it wrong to say that it was "with him the entire time," but so too is implying that the dhuryam directly helped him perform his feats to the point of negating them as skill. Because even when it was "with him," all it did was fan out its slaves to continue contributing to the chaos. It provided him with five slaves at his perimeter to help his charge against the hive-island, two of which were immediately killed in the warrior-slave death fray, and another that falls right after that. And that's it. Meanwhile before and after he's slaughtering everyone in his path, despite critical pain and injuries.


And he killed the first UNARMED UNARMORED warrior because the warrior bullrushed him.
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The first two he kills are unarmed and unarmored, and one at a time. With 17 amphistaffs on him, its not a big deal.

The first one he kills is unarmed and unarmored, yes-- but, surprise, so is he. He doesn't have the amphistaffs yet.

Oh, by the way, he doesn't have the Force either, which is what he's, you know, taught to fight with from birth. Neither does he have the advantage of having a natural weapon like razor-sharp talons, which the Yuuzhan Vong warrior does. And on top of all of that...his entire body is being racked with intense pain by the slave seed-- every nerve in his body is sizzling. And yet he still kills the leader with almost no effort. Kind of a big deal, to quote Ron Burgundy.

And the second one's really "one at a time" in only a very loose sense. He's running toward the "squads of fully armed warriors"-- that's squads, plural, and they're the guards of some of the most precious Yuuzhan Vong life-forms in the entire galaxy-- when he dismembers that warrior. He "does not even break stride."


And, yes, it is more than I would do, but I'd expect any competent Jedi apprentice to be able to do the same.

Well, throughout the NJO, dozens of Jedi Apprentices and Knights are depicted falling to Yuuzhan Vong warriors, even with all of their tools at their disposal-- i.e. weapons they are intimate with and energy fields they rely on.

Plus, lol @ Grandmaster of the Old Jedi Order attempting to kill a Yuuzhan Vong warrior in a situation without the Force/lightsaber. Maybe if he's on Jacen's shoulders or something.


And after that, he kills one armed and armored warrior before setting off the thudbugs that release the slaves, and getting knocked out for a moment.

Yeah, that's technically correct (save they were blast bugs, not thud bugs, but that's some silly semantics). However, before you cast just that aside as something not particularly skillful, it'd benefit to look at the entire context there.

He did all of that while sprinting toward the "oncoming thunderclouds of warrior squads" and being pounded with thud bugs and blast bugs, withstanding not only the massive detonations that scatter handfuls of the warrior guards but also the strikes that batter him directly. He even did it with the warriors not even be

 

Team Rufio (0) vs. Ko He shin (0)

Star with P2

Han Solo TRUMPED with Luke Skywalker vs. Tycho Celchu TRUMPED with Gavin Darklighter

 

[insert religious figure here]...arguments plz

 

Nah, I'm good.