this is canon

Far too much trolling for my tastes. I'm outta here for now. //escape pod

 

Ah yes, the old fallback. When in doubt, call EU bashers trolls.

 

And he stole my //escape pod!

 

I can't help it if LFL quotes only seem to be valid when they support your POV.

That goes for both sides of the argument.

I can't help it if purists keep referring to quotes that Lucas has never made...

I'm sorry, are you accusing me of posting an fabricated quote by Lucas??

I can't help it if the truth of what I say annoys you.

Well, I rarely go into Lit to argue canon yet you come in here all the time to argue it. Who annoys whom the most, I wonder?

 

Bravo, but it still won't convince them. It's like arguing with a brick wall. You're just wasting your time.

 

I know of brick walls that have more common sense.

 

*shaking head sadly*

This is truly pathetic. Is it any wonder EU fans have such a bad reputation?

Canonists have to deal with this crap over, and over, and over... in a forum that is supposed to be for FILMS!

And who's more hard-headed? Canonists, or those who keep insisting on chasing them down and rubbing EU in their faces?

Btw, Commander Antilles and Padme Bra are FAR more tolerant of you than, say, other admins who will remain nameless are of canonists in the EU forums. Notice they haven't just up and locked these threads (which I desperately think they should be).

You guys are truly the ones who want it both ways. We just want to get away from you... and you won't let us.

You hate canon so much... you want to be part of it. I think that sums it up very well.

Regards,
Brat.

 

This is truly pathetic. Is it any wonder EU fans have such a bad reputation?

Canonists have to deal with this crap over, and over, and over... in a forum that is supposed to be for FILMS!

Right you are. So we can talk about Coruscant, swoops, and Aayla Secura all we want here, as long as it relates to Episode II. Most discussion is done in the EU thread, but in light of this news about Aayla, it can be done elsewhere.

If you don't want to "deal with it", don't post in the thread, or don't read the responses.

And who's more hard-headed? Canonists, or those who keep insisting on chasing them down and rubbing EU in their faces?

If you visit Lit, we have just as many "Movie Purists" rub stuff in our faces. But we don't complain as much.

Btw, Commander Antilles and Padme Bra are FAR more tolerant of you than, say, other admins who will remain nameless are of canonists in the EU forums. Notice they haven't just up and locked these threads (which I desperately think they should be).

I disagree. PB and CA are the hardest-hitting admins against the EU, IMHO. If they feel that the thread should stay on topic, they can remind everyone posting here, lest it be locked.

You guys are truly the ones who want it both ways. We just want to get away from you... and you won't let us.

You sound paranoid.

You hate canon so much... you want to be part of it. I think that sums it up very well.

[Vader] I am canon [/Vader]

 

Quote:
"I disagree. PB and CA are the hardest-hitting admins against the EU, IMHO"

We have our opinions but it's not like we use our admin toys to silence Euers or force our opinions on you. I hate this stupid thread and this whole debate but there's obviously a demand for it so I'm leaving it open for now. I created the EU threads in both PT forums and I don't allow outright flaming on either side. So I don't like EU and don't think its canon. I don't think that affects my ability to moderate.

 

George Lucas has never uttered the word canon. But here are two relevant quotes

"I don't even read the offshoot books that come out based on Star Wars"

"Those happen outside my little universe"

As I said before, we don't CARE what what you think is 'canon'. What George Lucas acknowledges is all that matters to us in the MOVIES forum, becuase George Lucas is the be-all and end-all of the MOVIES. If Goerge Lucas is going to base a background character based on an EU character for the sake of killing it off, then so be it. It's a design, and as I've said before it's not the art designs that make the EU suck. Those can be quite good. But it's the story and the characters that make the EU suck, because those things disrespect the movies. That's why the EU has no place here, and that's why I'm willing to bet that George Lucas specifically said the stores are outside of what he's doing. So just go away, because George Lucas is making Episode II, not the EU authors.

 

If Goerge Lucas is going to base a background character based on an EU character for the sake of killing it off, then so be it.

I think it's too early to say whether she will die or not. And for Lucas to add her in just to die...is absurd.

It's a design, and as I've said before it's not the art designs that make the EU suck. Those can be quite good. But it's the story and the characters that make the EU suck, because those things disrespect the movies.

Those are all opinions. Not fact. Making it irrevelant.

That's why the EU has no place here

It's related to Episode II. This thread exists for discussion on Aayla Secura.

So just go away, because George Lucas is making Episode II, not the EU authors.

No one ever said they were. But if Aayla Secura never was created in the Ongoing comics, she would likely never be in the movie, as that character or another blue Twi'lek.

 

George Lucas has never uttered the word canon. But here are two relevant quotes

"I don't even read the offshoot books that come out based on Star Wars"

"Those happen outside my little universe"

Huh? ?

I'm sorry, but I'm a little confused. What exactly did GL say Raz? Because I've seen two differant versions of that quote:

"Those are done outside my little universe."
and
"Those happen outside my little universe."

The second one I've only seen once. In your quote. Which one is it? Because both can be interperated very differently. So could I have a link to that TV Guide interview (if any exist)?

But it's the story and the characters that make the EU suck, because those things disrespect the movies.

How so? Explain how they disrespect the movies...

 

If he explained that, it wouldn't matter. Everyone has different tastes about Star Wars - both the movies and spin-off books.

 

What I think is bad, is that everyone is getting bent out of shape of some films and books. No body is telling you to accept our views. We're expressing them. The only way to end this is to close all threads and warn us not to talk about it here. That includes any future references that the films may make. Be it outright or sutble. It's really sad to see both sides argue about the dumbest thing ever.

If any of you think those books disrespect Lucas' vision, then you need to get a life and stop obsessing about them. Just like the rest of us have to stop obsessing about this stuff. The movies are the one true canon. That's never been in doubt. But the books are just as vaild, regardless. For Lucas, Star Wars films are it. For everyone else that cares, the books are a part of his universe. Plain and simple. That's what the quote is all about.

 

Sturm, I've personally found that PadmeBra has "mellowed out" somewhat in his stance against EU material, even to the point of "sponsoring" an "EU Allowed" thread on the PSA forum.

True. Speaking of that, I outta bump that thread soon. There's been a ton of good discussions on Episode II material, just not in the proper EU thread.

Again, I'll have to disagree with your assessment. It wouldn't be absurd at all for her to be added just to be killed. Remember, this is part of Palpatine's plan to wipe out the Jedi. It is actually quite logical for the "blue-skinned female Twi'lek Jedi" to be killed as part of that plan.

Well, I mean...I don't think Lucas is adding Aayla in JUST to show her killed, and JUST to appease haters of the comic books. The current estimate is that 70% of the Jedi forces on Geonosis are killed, and that's quite a number.

 

I agree.

 

how could this get lost ?

hehe

 

Wow, now a thread openly devoted to EU bash/gush bs (although I see it was started in '99!)

My only PROBLEM with EU (I have read a little - Zahn mostly, but am not a big fan) is not that it exists or is not "canon."

The embattled EU fans say "hey, WE enjoy it so just let us be" and they have every right to say that. It is when, in the MOVIE forums, someone not only offers an EU explanation to another user's question (which I don't mind inherently - the more knowledge the better), but then refutes OTHER peoples' ideas that are more, shall we say, conjectural.

If a question (such as what was Grand Moff Tarkin's role in designing the Death Star) has not been addressed yet in the movies, then MAYBE the answer will conform to an EU explanation (if the answer is ever given in a movie), MAYBE it will adhere to someone else's wild speculation, or MAYBE neither. The question may NEVER be answered canonically, in which case, if you care to believe the EU explanation, so be it but DON'T FORCE IT ON OTHERS. Those of us who have a more narrow view of Star Wars don't refute the EU's right to exist or anyone's enjoyment of reading it. Just remember that in the movie forums, it is not the Bible.

That's all. End Rant.//

 

Wow. This WAS a rather long-running "canon" debate-thread, and it's quite interesting to peruse, in places.

 

I might as well put my two cents worth into this whole topic.

Canon: The movies, and any Star Wars material that does not contradict the movies. The movies are the final say of what's canon and what's not in the EU.

How in the heck did this topic last this long?

 

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