Amph "If You Seek His Monument, Look Around You" - The Man of Steel and Announced Sequel Thread

Yeah a few tweaks and that Jim Lee suit would be pretty good. I don't like the military collar and the S on the back of the cape either but some artists can make it work. After a few JL issues, Lee started making it look more like a thin armour instead of a bulky suit some artists draw.

That being said, I think the MOS suit is a really good one, it sticks to the iconic design while adding elements into the mix.

 

Yeah I totally love the MoS suit, and wouldn't change a thing. When you see it in the light - i.e. when he surrenders to the military, when he's flying - it looks perfect. It's dark in interior scenes, but that's ok.

 

Red or dark, muted, burgundy?

 

Isn't Superman supposed to be like a really hot hunk? He should be shirtless. And his emblem should be tattooed on his left chest muscle. And he should change his name to Wonderman, so that it becomes a double entendre.

 

Maybe not that.

 

No way! Didn't know about that.

 

Yep. Totally a thing.

 

Speaking of red though, no mention of Wonder Man would be complete without his 70's safari jacket/leisure suit outfit:




That has Stan Lee written all over it....

 

At one point, there was an Avengers video game for the Sega Genesis. Wonder Man would make a cameo appearance to help the player on one level, and when he did, Captain America would scream: "THANK YOU, Wonder Man."

Which I found hilarious and memorable.

 

I like everything about Man of Steel except for the "I think he's kinda hot" bit.

 

Wonder Man. Part of Marvel/Disney's Phase 14?

 

Ender Sai

 

Your racism isn't welcome here dp.

 

Really, I should be offended at the picture because it says "less people" but it was too funny to pass up.

 

Well, we never really saw Big G kill anyone now, did we?

 

Some people certainly die in the tsunami that results from his coming ashore in Hawaii, but I don't think we even see him directly kill any person. In a couple of instances, he seems to try to avoid directly hurting anyone, even possibly preventing anyone from being hurt.

Except for the MUTOs. He takes them out but good.

 

I would like to seen more color in Superman's suit around the midsection like a red belt or something. The silver around his midsection not very clear.

To me, it wasn't so much the destruction to Metropolis that bothered me in Man of Steel, but rather the indifference Superman displayed to the citizens of Metropolis.

In Donner's Superman II where there is destruction to Metropolis, he made it clear that Superman's top concern was the protection of the people of Metropolis even though it hampers his ability to battle Zod and his crew, as seen in this VIDEO CLIP.

While in Snyder's Man of Steel, Superman seems to have a blatant disregard for the safety of the citizens of the city, as seen in this VIDEO CLIP where Superman pays no attention the falling building on the people below or the terrified look on their faces. Snyder's Man of Steel casually floats over a tanker truck and allows it to explode within feet of innocent bystanders, (VIDEO CLIP); whereas in Donner's film Superman prevents the tanker truck from exploding with people nearby (VIDEO CLIP).

As Mark Waid put it, Synder's Man of Steel was more about destruction porn than showing the audience why Superman is something to aspire to be.

 

Except that Superman does help out people when he can. He just can't do both. In a way, it justifies the JLA's existence.

 

Perhaps. I would agree that Snyder's Man of Steel needs help on how to be a super hero. It was bothersome to see Superman casually fly over the tanker truck and let it explode while there were innocent bystanders a few feet away. That's like a Michael Bay type of thing where the good guy walks away nonchalantly from an explosion.

 

I suspect this has a lot to do with it. $. Planning ahead, you can't portray Superman being able to prevent all the major disasters as that would undermine your future franchise plans. Also, destruction porn.

 

Well as to the building thing...Superman actually can't stop a falling building. Physics. Remember the oil rig when it was bending and buckling? Yeah.

 

The other thing being that if you watch S-2, it's clear Zod et. al. are following bad videogame AI rules, which is just a little unrealistic considering they're framed in the first film as being determined to take over planets, have unreasoning hatred of all life, etc, etc. There are several occasions where they wait conveniently for Reeverman to finish whatever he's doing before then attacking again. I somehow doubt Zod in Man of Steel would've been quite as accommodating.

I rationalise the Metropolis battle as being Superman completely focused on fighting a guy who's hideously strong and (especially by the second stage of the fight) now has access to the same powers Clark has. He's not as concerned with saving lives since he's staying focused (out of need, or lack of strategy) on stopping or neutralising Zod. He possibly has in mind Faora's assurance during the Smallville battle: "For every one you save, we will kill a million more." Zod, possessed of superpowers, now has the ability to do that in person and he has specifically stated that's his intent. For the most part, I excuse the collateral damage on the basis of this being Superman's first outing as a superhero and still getting to grips with the role his father wants him to play for mankind, especially given this incarnation of Superman doesn't seem to have had 12 years of indoctrination training in an LSD-induced coma at the Fortress before he ventures forth. If the casual disregard for civilians continues during B/S I'll have a lot more and many different things to say about it.

 

Well, in the Donner film he wasn't just standing there the whole time. Given the number of sunstones and that each crystal contains different bits of information, it's more likely that he did other things while undergoing his education. Apparent given that he's created the suit and is still clean shaven.

 

So is kryptonite not going to be an issue for Superman in this new franchise?

 

Physics is a really bad counterargument in a Superman movie.