CT This this this! 4K Original Restoration Technicolor

Darkslayer · Feb 19, 2016

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These shots are all taken from Mike Verta's Legacy edition Vimeo page, and allows you to clearly see the difference between the restored negative and the digitally graded (altered) Blu-ray version. The Blu-ray is darker, so more details are lost, the colour saturation is all over the place (sometimes over saturated, sometimes desaturated).

The Blu-ray restoration was simply not very well made when it comes to preserving the original look of the film. This is not hating. This is stating a technical fact.

You may prefer the look of the Blu-ray, and that's fine. But a lot of people want to see it as it originally looked.
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I highlighted the most important thing you said.

The BD's were "very well made" to do what they wanted to do which was not predicated on preserving the original look of the film. So to say they were not well made doesn't at all apply.

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So... you just agreed with me? I said they were not very well made when it comes to preserving the original look of the film. I never said the intent of the Blu-rays were to do that. I just said some people want that.

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Of course it's a technical fact when someone is criticizing the Blu-Ray

I know that's probably not what you meant, but it is what it sounds like

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Indeed it was not what I meant. I'm not one of the Special Edition haters, or anything like that (in fact, I love a lot of the changes). But I do recognize that there were some technical shortcomings in the digital remaster (some of which were fixed between the DVD and BD releases, like the lightsaber cores in ROTJ). I also recognize the fact that they changed the look of the films quite a lot with modern colour grading when they did the digital remaster. This makes it a fact that the digital remaster doesn't do a very good job of presenting the original look of the films.

Again, which version you prefer is of course up to you, but don't try to argue that the BD looks more like the original version than Verta's Legacy Edition does. Because it doesn't.
That's all I'm saying.
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Well, I haven't even seen the original version, so I'm not qualified to argue that anyway

Force Smuggler · Feb 19, 2016

Darkslayer said: ↑

TigerCraneFist said: ↑

Qui-Riv-Brid said: ↑

I highlighted the most important thing you said.

The BD's were "very well made" to do what they wanted to do which was not predicated on preserving the original look of the film. So to say they were not well made doesn't at all apply.

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So... you just agreed with me? I said they were not very well made when it comes to preserving the original look of the film. I never said the intent of the Blu-rays were to do that. I just said some people want that.

Darkslayer said: ↑

Of course it's a technical fact when someone is criticizing the Blu-Ray

I know that's probably not what you meant, but it is what it sounds like

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Indeed it was not what I meant. I'm not one of the Special Edition haters, or anything like that (in fact, I love a lot of the changes). But I do recognize that there were some technical shortcomings in the digital remaster (some of which were fixed between the DVD and BD releases, like the lightsaber cores in ROTJ). I also recognize the fact that they changed the look of the films quite a lot with modern colour grading when they did the digital remaster. This makes it a fact that the digital remaster doesn't do a very good job of presenting the original look of the films.

Again, which version you prefer is of course up to you, but don't try to argue that the BD looks more like the original version than Verta's Legacy Edition does. Because it doesn't.
That's all I'm saying.
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Well, I haven't even seen the original version, so I'm not qualified to argue that anyway
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You should probably change that.

How can we call it the same film if it doesn't even look the same anymore?
That's just changing it for the heck of it.

Darkslayer · Feb 19, 2016

Force Smuggler said: ↑

Darkslayer said: ↑

TigerCraneFist said: ↑

So... you just agreed with me? I said they were not very well made when it comes to preserving the original look of the film. I never said the intent of the Blu-rays were to do that. I just said some people want that.
Indeed it was not what I meant. I'm not one of the Special Edition haters, or anything like that (in fact, I love a lot of the changes). But I do recognize that there were some technical shortcomings in the digital remaster (some of which were fixed between the DVD and BD releases, like the lightsaber cores in ROTJ). I also recognize the fact that they changed the look of the films quite a lot with modern colour grading when they did the digital remaster. This makes it a fact that the digital remaster doesn't do a very good job of presenting the original look of the films.

Again, which version you prefer is of course up to you, but don't try to argue that the BD looks more like the original version than Verta's Legacy Edition does. Because it doesn't.
That's all I'm saying.
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Well, I haven't even seen the original version, so I'm not qualified to argue that anyway
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You should probably change that.

How can we call it the same film if it doesn't even look the same anymore?
That's just changing it for the heck of it.
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I'm content with my Blu-Rays.

themoth · Feb 19, 2016

I'd be content with all of the version being made available. The OOT, the 97 SE, the 2004 SE and the 2011 SE. But I'd really treasure the OOT version the most.

SlashMan · Feb 20, 2016

Well done. I guess my only criticism is directly answered within the interview:

“I think there’s room for all these versions,” says Mr. Black. “People have been trying to ‘fix’ Star Wars for ages now,” he points out. “You’re going to have all these people splintering off with what they think is right and what their personal preferences are. And we’re okay with that. We encourage people to take the Silver Screen Edition as a source and then tweak it to their liking.”
Preference plays a key role in all of this. Everybody has their own idea of what Star Warsshould look like. Some people look at the Silver Screen Edition and fall in love, while others still prefer the sharper, more modern look of the Blu-ray. “In that sense, there’s an aesthetic. We know that anyone under 30 kind of prefers the clean, sharp, detailed look,” Mr. Black explains. “Then the older crowd, the retro crowd, is like, ‘give me the grain and give me the matte boxes and give me a little weave in the picture.’ It’s kind of like CD vs. vinyl. I’m like an old school vinyl fan.”
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My personal preference is that we get the original version as a straight restoration, but I do see the merits and the reasoning behind an intentionally "rough" transfer. After all this is their restoration, so artistic liberties are to be expected. While I prefer the spotless, pristine restoration attempted in the Legacy Edition, as Mr. Black said, there's room for all versions of the film.

In terms of availability, I think this is currently the best offering we have. The Despecialized Editions were alright as placeholders, but couldn't replace the real thing. IMO, the most recent Despecialized update of Return of the Jedi actually looks worse to me. Can't wait to see the results for Empire and Jedi.

Pancellor Chalpatine, as I take it, the people who made this are fans of GL and aren't anti-Special Edition. They're just proponents for all versions of the film being made available.

negative1 · Feb 21, 2016

Yes, that's the point.

Our project was all about preservation of the print, and retaining the original look of it. Many people were not even around, so they have no idea what it could have looked like in
the theater.

That was back in 1977.

Fast forward almost 40 years. A whole new era of moviegoers has come and gone, and their sensibilities are different.

Ironically, even the 1997 SE versions look different on the DVD. There will be a project that digitizes those from film also.

Harmy and other projects are more like restorations, where they try to use the best possible resources to make the film look better.
That means it will look good at home, since it never looked this good in theaters.

Theaters used prints, that are several generations away from the negatives. The restoration for the bluray used the negatives, which is why it looks sharp.

The color correction is a personal preference, however, there are definitely mistakes on the bluray.

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On another note, Team Negative1 has disbanded after this project, and other people will continue with the project.
This has nothing to do with anything legal, or arguments at OT.com, or internal issues.

The project set out to restore a version of Star Wars, and we are done.

Thanks again for all the support, and comments.

Team Negative1

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