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"This type of debate really belongs in the Senate, not the YJCC".

Discussion in 'Communications' started by epic, May 18, 2009.

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  1. Spiderfan

    Spiderfan Jedi Knight star 6

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    The discussion is not about not being able to follow the abortion thread from one place to another, its about the repercussions of moving a certain kind of thread to a different forum for the wrong reasons.
     
  2. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    (is there something wrong with two or three people dominating a discussion? If they like to hash the issues out...)?


    Actually, yes. A lot of the time, if I click on thread about a political story/news event, and see long quoted paragraphs from the same 2 or 3 users, I'll stay away. I know you can't make a rule against that, but it is one of the annoyances in the JCC.
     
  3. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I guess I just don't understand that. Or maybe I just have a penchant for sticking my nose into other people's arguments.

    LostOnHoth: Speaking as a user and not as a mod, I always argued to keep serious things permissible in JCC because I liked the community aspect to the serious debate. I know the Senate has its own community as well, and I'm sure it means a lot to you guys. The same goes for the JCC then: I (and possibly we) like arguing in our own milieu.
     
  4. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    My worry is that my point will get lost amongst the shuffle of the larger discussion between the other users. However, this only pertains to (national/international) political discussions: if it involves local politics, or it's a thread about sports or some form of pop culture, I'll dig right in.
     
  5. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Does this same problem apply to consolidated general debate threads, like the Election/Obama Administration threads?
     
  6. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    Election night results threads: No. The Obama administration thread (which I started in the JCC :p ): Yes.
     
  7. FlareStorm

    FlareStorm Jedi Master star 6

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    You really don't see that its the same people who make and post in these "debate" threads? They aren't even debate threads, as differing opinions or out-crowders are not welcome. There's pretty much an exclusive sub-board on the YJCC
     
  8. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

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    That's the point I'm questioning. What are the repercussions. What difference does it make if the thread is moved, rightly or wrongly? If the thread were locked, I'd understand.

    Yes I understand that but what is preventing the JCC people from just posting in the thread in the Senate? Sure there will be some contamination from the Senate rabble but the same JCC people you all know and love can keep posting in the thread if they wish. I recall this issue came up in a Focus Group we had a few years ago with Senate people and JCC people. Perhaps the best thing to do is to lock the thread in the JCC but provide a link to the open thread in the Senate so that JCC people who were participating or might be interested in participating can keep posting in the thread.



     
  9. Katana_Geldar

    Katana_Geldar Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, but some in the JCC see these sort of contentious threads as a sort of perverse entertainment, particularly anything involving religion and OZK. This sort of lightheartedness can do a lot to dispell tension in a serious JCC thread.

    Anyone wanting to start an issues thread in the JCC knows that it has the potential to blow up in their face, pictures being posted, quotes from various TV shows and movies being made and not to mention observers like me "passing snacks".

    IMHO, the only really serious threads we have over there are the ones where people ask for advice. And trying to antagonise people in those sorts of threads when they ask for support about something personal isn't very nice.
     
  10. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    I don't think it's that much of a problem.
     
  11. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    This.
    But it's actually why most of the time the threads, as annoyingly idiotic as the subject matter is IMHO, are okay. Who really cares if 5 people basically say "hi" to each other in 12000 words? Especially when one of them is sometimes Jello.

    The only real problem really only occurs when people stop debating the topic and start debating each other's sentences - which has never been anything but 500-word-version of "you're an idiot" (or worse). But since nobody actually says that, it must be allowed, or else! :rolleyes:
    That, or when somebody thinks religions are protected from anything. They aren't.
     
  12. malkieD2

    malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    and

    We currently have a reasonably fresh-faced number of mods in the JCC, yet between them have a significant number of years of JCC membership. I'd be tempted to have a fresh attempt at moderating certain types of threads and see how far the JCC has matured in recent years, rather than push what could become sensible threads into the Senate.

    You could always edit or lock after things started getting nasty, but to do it before things got out of hand could be viewed as over-moderation, and slightly insulting to the current JCC community.

     
  13. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    You disappoint me, Sir.
     
  14. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    ... people actually think the thing was not nasty at all? I thought we were just haggling over whether it was lock/move-worthy or JCC-acceptable nastiness. Wow.




    (and hal, technically that probably means "the community of the forum that's named JCC", and isn't RAS Syndrome ;))
     
  15. malkieD2

    malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    exactly

    Hal should be ashamed that a German is explaining English to him!
     
  16. PRENNTACULAR

    PRENNTACULAR VIP star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I had quite a good time reading through the thread...but I really don't see why this is any sort of a big deal. Maybe it should have been left, maybe not. Perhaps the mods should be a little more lenient about these sorts of things to account for change in the JCC culture. Beyond that, I'm not sure what there is to argue about.
     
  17. Jabbadabbado

    Jabbadabbado Manager Emeritus star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Abortion is just one of the few touchy subjects that never ends well in JCC.

    I don't have an axe to grind and am happy to accept any serious thread that can't find a home in the JCC. I don't know where the particular thread in question really belongs, but abortion threads don't end well anywhere. The only value I see in moving it to the Senate is that we're very comfortable with threads that don't end well.

    If I could propose something fun, how about a traveling abortion thread that gets to spend a few days in every forum, spreading a little cheer and conversation before being asked to move on?

     
  18. The_Face

    The_Face Ex-Manager star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Like a virus.
     
  19. rhonderoo

    rhonderoo Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I like your style!
     
  20. TwiLekJedi

    TwiLekJedi Pretty Ex-Mod star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hell, even I would post in a travelling abortion thread!
     
  21. halibut

    halibut Ex-Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Best...idea....ever
     
  22. GIMER

    GIMER Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    As long as each time the traveling abortion thread leaves the forum, it leaves an STD thread behind.
     
  23. LostOnHoth

    LostOnHoth Force Ghost star 5

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    Brilliant. There should be more travelling threads - help break down those psychological barriers to posting in a familiar thread with people you know but on a different forum. :eek:
     
  24. LAJ_FETT

    LAJ_FETT Tech Admin and Collecting/Lucasfilm Ltd Mod star 9 Staff Member Administrator

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    [face_laugh] I like that idea..
     
  25. FlareStorm

    FlareStorm Jedi Master star 6

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    On one hand I want to say "this." Let the cockroaches feed off each other. On the other hand, its not fair. If the policy is SRS threads are allowed, and redundancy is not allowed, they need to be more outer-user friendly.

    And too much name calling on OZK. He's usually the guy taking the other side against the other four people. If the other four can paragraph/wiki rape him, and he's the only one with the patience to do it back, he gets four times as space.
     
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