..................Thou art God..................

DD - The Divine Spliff

In your case, Dane, is that a noun or a verb?

- Scarlet.

 

This is great stuff, Dane!

 

"DD - The Divine Spliff

In your case, Dane, is that a noun or a verb?" -well it was both, is neither or one, and can be either both or neither or one.


Thx, Cheveyo, I truly appreciate that you like it, I want you to be happy! It what I write makes you happy, in some unidentifiable way, I will write more! Ask and you shall be given.


If temperature is a point on a scale, subject to change and control.
Humans is also a point on a scale, which is also subjected to change and control.

ON a scale of size. we have smaller, point of reference, bigger. well, I am bigger than an atom and also smaller than the sun. I am a point on a scale which is subjected to change and control.
God is a point on a scale, which is subjected to change and control.

Who changes and control anything, as far as wee can see? our selves! Our Self. What is our self. My own "self" plus "your own self". Mine plus something else. x+1=X

We start from a small "x" add one and get a bigger X. How Big? I don't know. How can I know?. I can only know I don't know. I can choose to know something, but "you" can always add something to that knowledge. Making it bigger, and what was before untrue based on what we have now. What we have now, is based on the past. If you want to change the future, you have to change the past. If not, it will be history repeating.

What is God? That which is bigger!

What am "I"?

I Am
I am that which "is"




DD - The Divine Spliff

 

You like making people happy, Dane?

I printed out one of your posts before (about an hour ago), and showed it to my PPE (politics, philosophy, economics) philosophy professor just now when I handed in my paper.

He laughed his head off.

- Scarlet.

 

So if what you say is true, he joined my reality through you, he saw it was funny, laughed, and left my reality and returned to his own. He didn't share with me.
But I am still ,willy nilly, a part of his world! I exist on the same planet as he does.
So we share something, but not everything I represent. If I am part of HIS world, with something that is inherently untrue or false, what does that say about him? Maybe that must be slightly crazy, to allow something like me to exist. Ok, he can then choose to kill me. I die. I exist no more. But maybe others will read my words, and take part of that reality. I must be the words I write, they express something that is me. So now I both exist, and doesn't exist. If I both exist in the reality (life) and the void (or afterlife), where am I.
If my words are not me, or representing something of me. Then I can say that "everything is not me" Or "I am nothing"

Am I part of reality or not?
Am I my words or not?
Am I anything at all?
Am I all of the above somehow?
Am I none of the above?

Remember, whatever you point at me, will be pointing right back at your self.



If you can answer these questions. I will put away my silly ways, and your word will be my command, because you must be that which is wiser than I am. You must be wiser than I am. Command me! Ask and You shall be given. My life is yours my Lord, do with it as you see fit! Your moral and conscience is beyond my comprehension, and I bow and humble myself before you. "Father forgive me, for I have sinned."






DD - The Divine Spliff

 

Can we lock this thread now?

There shouldn't be any objections. As far as I understand it, it will still be part of our reality but won't be taking up space on the front page.

Please?

Really, this is not a debate about an issue but some guy spouting nonsense that nobody can understand just for the sake of going against convential wisdom.

 

Truth be told, I too have been laughing as I read this thread; however, my joy is at the responses brought on by your posts, DD. I have my own interpretation of what you are saying, and how your words are affecting me (my own reality, if you will). From that I draw my own conclusions as to your meanings.

Many others seem closed to this self-interpretation... this is what amuses me.

 

This isn't any kind of philosophy, or reasonable thought.

It is childlike rambling, and if there was any meaning behind it, it was lost in the pointless mathematics, illogical statements and general craziness.

- Scarlet.

 

"Truth be told, I too have been laughing as I read this thread; however, my joy is at the responses brought on by your posts, DD. I have my own interpretation of what you are saying, and how your words are affecting me (my own reality, if you will). From that I draw my own conclusions as to your meanings." -Cheveyo. You if any has done what I am referring to, in a way. You take that from what I am saying, and keep what you think will help you get even better at whatever. You take what you can use because it might help you. You add something to yourself that you can use, and you are now "you" + "That from me which you can use.
Now lets exchange symbols. x = you, x+1 = X
Are you the same? Or different?
If you are the same, it means that what you could use, that which you added, was already there. If it is different, it means that you are both "you" and "something else." If God is something else, you are both you and God. God is the addition.
Now which is it?
Either way x+1=X. It changes to something bigger but is the same. It changes to the same thing, but is the same.


"Many others seem closed to this self-interpretation... this is what amuses me." Yeah I think it is funny too.

"This isn't any kind of philosophy, or reasonable thought." -What was Buddha´s then? Or Muhammed? Or Jesus?

"It is childlike rambling, and if there was any meaning behind it, it was lost in the pointless mathematics, illogical statements and general craziness." -Jesus said "Let all children come to me. Those who are like babies shall come into heaven." "It is more difficult for a merchant to come into heaven, than a camel trying to get through a needles eye"

"eye" and "I" is two symbols that share something. The expression of the words. They sound alike. But dependant of the context, the word/sound will mean something else. They will express something different yet remain the same. The sound. -"In the beginning there was the word, and the word was God".
Your point determines your reality.




DD - The Divine "I"

 

OK, here we go.

You take that from what I am saying, and keep what you think will help you get even better at whatever. You take what you can use because it might help you....If God is something else, you are both you and God. God is the addition.

First, substantiate what it is that God has given us, to make us of himself.

Second, your mathematics are flawed.

Let's make this clear;

X = God,
Y = A Person.

You say, by implying that, by taking something from God, we are becoming God:

x + y = x,

Which is clearly incorrect. Even if it were so that we take something from God, that does not make us entirely God, does it?

The equation is simply this:

x + y = y

Where y is the combination of whatever God has given us and what we already had. The original x does not disappear though.

Now which is it?
Either way x+1=X.

X + 1 = X + 1.


What was Buddha´s then? Or Muhammed? Or Jesus?

Well, it made sense for a start. And it didn't sound like the incoherent ramblings of a drunken vagrant on a street corner.

"eye" and "I" is two symbols that share something. The expression of the words. They sound alike.

Very adult. The two sound alike, so, of course, it follows that they are EXACTLY the same.

Your point determines your reality.

If by point you mean my argument, then I think this is just another grand, mystical statement with no purpose.


EDIT: A few small errors.


- Scarlet.

 

"OK, here we go." -Ok, here I go

"First, substantiate what it is that God has given us, to make us of himself." -I can´t. Can you you substatiate that what it is that God has given us, is not to make us ourselves?
If not, then you can Believe what you want. You are your own God. So you rule with absolute power, yourself...what if God does the same to that which is God?


"Even if it were so that we take something from God, that does not make us entirely God, does it?" -No. Not entire- and absolutely, but partly. I can then say that if you are part God "Thou art God", because I choose to see that single little part of your whole.

What do you choose?



"Well, it made sense for a start. And it didn't sound like the incoherent ramblings of a drunken vagrant on a street corner." -Buddha refers to the Void. What is The Void? I can express the symbol, but cannot grasp, entirely, what Buddha meant by his OWN words, what "The void" is. I point towards that by using the symbol itself.

"Very adult. The two sound alike, so, of course, it follows that they are EXACTLY the same." No, they are not the same. But the sound you use, is the almost, but not entirely, same. But the meaning is different. The meaning is different, when you look at a human and says "eye", and when you say the sound now meaning "I" and point towards yourself.

One sound, but two possible meanings. One is two, symbolically spoken.

"If by point you mean my argument, then I think this is just another grand, mystical statement with no purpose." -What did Jesus say? Something grand and mystical? That which Unifies everything?


We have a car. A car is a symbol.

car
Car = Buick (a buick is a car, we agree?)
Car = Toyota (a toyota is a car, we agree?)
Mazda = Buick...They are both a car. But seperately they are mazda and buick. two symbols which is contradictonary, but they share something. That which makes them both a car. Something binds it together.

We have a car. A car is a symbol.

You make one car with 100 horse powers (hp).
I add one horsepower. But is still a car.
A car can now both be with 100 (hp) and 101 (hp)
The symbol of car changes, while at the same time staying the same! It stays that which is car.



I am that, which stays the same, everchanging.
I am the unmovable mover





DD - The Divine ....

 

I can´t.

Of course you can't.

Can you you substatiate that what it is that God has given us, is not to make us ourselves?

This sentence doesn't make sense.

You are your own God.

I have no interest in Gods, whether they be internal or external. I wish for the death of all Gods, not to put myself in their places.

Not entire- and absolutely, but partly. I can then say that if you are part God "Thou art God", because I choose to see that single little part of your whole.

That doesn't make sense. You can't call me God, as I possess no Godlike qualities, even though, according to you, I have taken something from him.

Buddha refers to the Void. What is The Void?

A valid philosophical factor. Like 0 is to mathematics. We know its there, but we can't explain it; but with it, we can do all sorts of things we could not do otherwise. The Void is simply the absence of anything, even nothing.

No, they are not the same. But the sound you use, is the almost, but not entirely, same.

So? "Bear" and "there" sound the same as well! *gasp* I'm going to be eaten by a grizzly there!

One sound, but two possible meanings. One is two, symbolically spoken.

Balderdash. There's nothing symbolic and words that sound similar.

What did Jesus say? Something grand and mystical? That which Unifies everything?

I couldn't give a flying primates testicle what Jesus said. I'm talking about YOU.

We have a car. A car is a symbol.

A symbol of what? How? What IS this nonsense?

car
Car = Buick (a buick is a car, we agree?)
Car = Toyota (a toyota is a car, we agree?)
Mazda = Buick...They are both a car. But seperately they are mazda and buick. two symbols which is contradictonary, but they share something. That which makes them both a car. Something binds it together.

Finally, something that makes sense.

I am that, which stays the same, everchanging.
I am the unmovable mover

You are are also an unstable mystic.

- Scarlet.

 

I see we have reached something.
Right now I will not say more. For I have seen the beginning and the end. And I now know what happened in between.

If I present to you, my final question with its internal logic, you will loose something. As you loose this, you gain something else. But you don't know what you gained, but you know what you lost.


"Before I was blind, now I can see. Now I can see that I have been blind. How much more can I see? How much is hidden before my eyes? And one day in the future, I will look back and see I have been blind now"





DD - The Divine

 

Right now I will not say more. For I have seen the beginning and the end. And I now know what happened in between.

And now you think you're God?

/rolls his eyes.

Count me out of this thread.

- Scarlet.

 

"Right now I will not say more. For I have seen the beginning and the end. And I now know what happened in between.

And now you think you're God?" -I don't know I think. I don't know what I think is what I think. That was my first statement. I don't know if I know anyhting. I know I nothing know.

Where was this thread until I created it? In my mind. The thread was uncreated or unmanifested to your mind.. Then I created the thread with the first words. You added to the thread, but that which is "Thread" is still the same. A thread is a thread, whether or not there is a hundred replies or one, or no replies. But if you reply, someone else is not replying, because they are writing in another thread. But the threads are all threads within, and contained by that which is "the Board." The board is one of many boards. Contained within what we call the internet, there is message "boards", but also non-message boards, but they are still part of the internet. Another place contains porno, but this board doesn't contain porno, or is trying not to let that inside the board. But Porno and "boards" is both part of the internet. Internet now contains both porno, and message boards. They can be intermingled, like a message board about porno. A messageboard not with porno. Porno without a messageboard. But it can also be neither. That which doesn't contain porno and messageboards. Like a page about cars, that you can see, but not change in the slightest, because you were not the creator of that page.

Do you see?

Now I'm circling a bit



DD - The Divine...

 

DY: Human beings can never ever achieve equality with God. To say that human beings can become gods themselves or believing that they can achieve that level is once again blasphemy.

If there was a god, what if that god wanted humans to reach its level? After all, we ascended from bacteria.
Imagine, if you will, a colony of sentient bacteria that are symbiotes with a human. And they know how Man evolved from a bacteria. Would it be wrong for their descendants to become equals to their host?

 

"DY: Human beings can never ever achieve equality with God. To say that human beings can become gods themselves or believing that they can achieve that level is once again blasphemy." I agree It is blasphemous.

"If there was a god, what if that god wanted humans to reach its level? After all, we ascended from bacteria.
Imagine, if you will, a colony of sentient bacteria that are symbiotes with a human. And they know how Man evolved from a bacteria. Would it be wrong for their descendants to become equals to their host?" - I don't know? I don't know what God wants. But maybe it is to be just as he is. How can I find out? By trying to become God. "Do or do not, there is no try". If I try and fail, then maybe that wasn't it. Or maybe I should try again, just doing something better. Just like when we want to ride a bicycle. At first we don't know if we can. So we try. We fall down. We look, and say I can do it, because I saw someone else do it. What am I doing wrong? I don't know, but I must try to be better. And one day you find yourself riding that bicycle. And you are happy, because now you can do, what the others do.
If you know what God wants, tell me, and I will try my best. Not be discouraged with failure, but remember to keep getting back on the cycle, because you want to do what God wants from you. But you fail sometims, and ask God for forgiveness, because you cannot see how God does what he does. He smiles at you,and says "It is ok, I forgive you, I can see you didn't know better. But I also saw that you did your best to find out, and when you do your best, I can/will not ask anything more."
What does God want me to do? Or you? I don't know. But I know that if I knew what God Knows, Then I would find out how I can do what God does. How do I find out? I see I can try to equate myself to God, and thus find out what he wants.
Otherwise I will always walk in darkness. Won't I?




DD - The Divine

 

wow...
i have read some of this thread so i think i have a pretty good idea of what is going on...may i jump in?

all of these are great thoughts, and this thread topic is a good one to think about.
however, as a Christian i see a few very confused people trying to make logic of something when they don't know all the facts. Not that this is bad or anything.
but you are all trying to make God this static being, and squeezing this concept (being god) into a little box so we can understand it.

the truth is, whether there is a god or not, we can never know. however, i think it is safer to assume there is a god than to say there ISNT (im going somehwere with this bear with me)

if you are reading this post, you have to assume a human wrote it. right? i mean, to even imagine that this post happened because my cat was walking all over the keyboard, and just HAPPENED to write all this--to even think that is rediculous. of course a human wrote it!
well take the universe. just think for a moment. to ASSUME that this infinately complex web of physics we cant even understand, of beauty we can only imagine--this entire maze of complexities and mysteries and woners--to just assume that it happened by ACCIDENT, to think that some little balls of dust just happened to get together, and just happened to form this complex universe--is rediculous!

anyways, so using that little analogy, let me take it a step further:
humans and god--
ok, heres where i start getting onto the really christain stuff. the bible says that god created the universe, which ive just kind of explained. then it goes onto expalin that he made the creatures of the heavens--angels. then he made us, in His image.
Just because god decided to design us doesnt mean we ARE god.
god had a special plan for us. why? no one knows.
but you cant try to expalin in our limited human terms what god is compared to humans. god is more huge and more infinate and more vast and powerful than anyone can imagine. we are not god. god MADE us, he does not BECOME us. humans arent little gods runnign around.
HOWEVER: humans have two natures-
we have a physical nature, which god designed,a nd a spiritual nature, like god's.
let me elaborate: my body gets hungry for food. my soul does not want food. by physical body does not love. my heart loves.
we are, in a way, 'connected' to god in that he created us to be something LIKE him. not to BE him.

did i explain this right? anyways, just my opinion
(btw, sorry for any spelling errors!!!)

 

"What does God want me to do? Or you? I don't know. But I know that if I knew what God Knows, Then I would find out how I can do what God does. How do I find out? I see I can try to equate myself to God, and thus find out what he wants.
Otherwise I will always walk in darkness. Won't I?"

you guys are confusing yourselves. we CANNOT understand what god wants. he left us the bible. thats really all we have to know what god wants of us while we are on this earth.
you have an interesting analogy though...see: we all sin. we are not perfect. THAT is what makes us different from god. we dont have to look farther than ourselves. you can repent, and god will forgive, and you try again. you try.
but no matter how hard a human can try to live as Jesus did (which is pretty much how god wants us to be) we will ALWAYS FAIL. ALWAYS. we are not perfect. we can NEVER EVER be like god, who Is perfect. do you see? in some ways, we are on the 'same level' as god. but because god is perfect, because we were caused by god, we are not like him.

 

You are absolutely right!

Now imagine that God created the Garden of Eden. In this Eden everything was perfect. But nothing really moved anywhere. God got bored, and had the idea that a human would maybe be a smart thing to create. But it has to decide for it self if it wants to move anything. It can sit still. It can move. Humans can decide. God know watches his creation. His ONE new creation. It was a woman. She could decide. She walked around looking everywhere. Looking for someone like herself. She couldn't. She got sad. Nothing was like her. And she decided that was sad. She never spoke during all of this. She just sat still, crying. You suddenly wondered. "Can I create something that looks like me?" And she wondered "how do I do this?" She wondered for a long time. Billions of years passed. She got bored of wondering, because she suddenly wondered "can I wish it to be true?" I'll try. All I can do now is to try to wish for it." And she tried for billions of years. She changed during this period. She got older. She looked different as the time passed. Suddenly she felt something. Something inside her. Some time passed and suddenly she felt a movement inside of her. She noticed her belly got bigger, somehow it got bigger. All the while God was watching. What would Gods creation do?, he thought? Well God could wait forever, and since she could decide. She could wait forever for all God cared. God wished her to decide. As God wished she wished. And God saw she wished to create something as her but not like her. It had to be different. "So I can see the difference, of course.", she thought. As she wished she saw that God wished her to decide as well. And she decided that she wanted it. God thought "Ask and you shall be given", because she could decide if she wanted to add something to that was already there. So as she asked God gave her. Man was created. IN the image/mirror of his creator, he was made. But somehow different. The woman thought, "did something create me?" I forgot, because the pain of birth made me forget everything that I knew before I gave it. Hmm, I will ponder this. I have plenty of time." But, she had forgotten that she wanted the creation to be AS her but not Like her. The creation could decide as WELL as her.




Sorry my story ends here. I have to catch a train. I will continue later




DD - The Divine Is Woman

 

I don't have time to write it now. But is anyone really interested where I am going with this story?

You can have the whole story of just the end. You can also have both, or neither. if you want neither don't read it. Otherwise choose something else.



DD - Divine Garden of eden

 

If God will always forgive us, is that what God wants us to do? We shall forgive God for not being perfect. We cannot understand.
I forgive God and I also forgive you, because I see you too are not perfect. Don't kill because they are not perfect, but don't make them do something against their own will, for that is not perfect! What is perfect, is when we see difference and try to make it better. Don't knock them on their head for not knowing, can you "Beat" your knowledge into them? I say no and yes. No because teaching is better. Yes, because sometimes people are thickheaded, and beating them can help. but if the beating results in death, the other one hasn't learned anything besides that of being dead. The one knows the other one is Dead, but the one who is dead Now knows that that is what he is. Dead. The living has learned something. Something can be dead and something can be alive. I improved my knowledge. But I don't know if the other one learned anything, because I can't communicate anymore with the other one.
Maybe the other one had something to teach you! But you will never KNOW. Instead of killing that which is knowledge, then teach it!




DD - The Divine Life

 

youre REALLY confusing me.

 

I am confusing myself too. I've asked vertical to lcok and delete this thread, but nothing has happened yet, so I don't know what will happen.




DD - Nifty

 

I asked Vertical to lock and delete this thread, however he feels it has a discussion going and will thus not lock and delete this thread.
I see that the discussion has reached a stand still of sorts. As of now I can't contribute anything more, since this discussion is not productive to my own way of thinking or line of thinking.
Something went wrong. My initial thought got changed somehow, out of my control.

So, shall we delete this thread?

It seems a common ground on this cannot be reached, and we have to try something else.


I vote for lock and deletion. Anyone with me?




DD - The Deleted Spliff