Ti den mas arese sto STAR WARS (PT &OT)

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  1. SithLOrd_REvan Jedi Knight

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    Paidia egw pistevw pws h nea trilogia den sigrinetai kan me thn palia.(den eimai kanas palios.Genithika to 87 ! )
    Afto isws ekshgeitai kapws apo ton periorismo poy eixe o Lucas na ftiaksei mia nea trilogia tetoia wste na thn diadexetai h palia.
    Pantws o Jar Jar Binks tha mporouse n mhn yparxei kan(oute kai oi Gungans) kathws kai diafores vlakeies opws gia paradeigma h TERASTIAS HLITHIOTHTAS ASTOXIAS twn stormtroopers sto A.N.H. (otan o Luke kai Leia htan eglwvismenoi se ena steno sto Death Star.)Symfwnw epishs me ta Ewoks (kanoun thn taineia pio paidiastikh opws kai O Binks.)
    Kai mia erwthsh : An akousa kala h Padme tha pethanei sto telos tou RotS ? An nai pws leei h Leia sto RotJ pws thimatai thn mhtera ths ?
  2. gianakin Jedi Knight

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    ---Pantws o Jar Jar Binks tha mporouse n mhn yparxei kan(oute kai oi Gungans) kathws kai diafores vlakeies opws gia paradeigma h TERASTIAS HLITHIOTHTAS ASTOXIAS twn stormtroopers sto A.N.H. (otan o Luke kai Leia htan eglwvismenoi se ena steno sto Death Star.)Symfwnw epishs me ta Ewoks (kanoun thn taineia pio paidiastikh opws kai O Binks.)

    Simfono se ola.

    ---Kai mia erwthsh : An akousa kala h Padme tha pethanei sto telos tou RotS ? An nai pws leei h Leia sto RotJ pws thimatai thn mhtera ths?

    Apo ta spoilers,KerSoth fige,krata tin Leia sta xeria tis gia ligo k meso tis Dinamis exoun mia mikri sindesi metaksi tous,kati pou de ginetai me ton Luke.Afto :)
  3. Obi-Kris_Kenobi Jedi Knight

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    Vasiki erotisi pou exo na sou kano: Theoreis tin palia trilogia os iperapistefta epi kai les oti kai i kainouria me tis diorthoseis tha ginei san tis palies?

    Na sou pw. Den einai epi typou Lord of the Rings i Lawrence tis Arabias alla oi stigmes pou sou sikwnetai i trixa einai polles:

    To A New Hope, an kai to pio bareto olwn gia mena, exei ola ta basika pou perimeneis apo mia tainia - "paramythi" ( o Lucas eipe pws einai tetoia, & etsi ksekinane ola: "A long, long time ago..."). Ta logia tou Obi-Wan kai oi yponoies pou afinontai gia tin Dynami kai tous Jedi, o Vader & to mystirio pou ton peribalei, ola ayta.

    To Empire Strikes Back einai omws tromero: Kai mono i apokalypsi tou Vader pros to telos arkei alla exeis kai eikones typou: To Super Star Destroyer tou Vader na planatai apeilitiko, ton idio na pnigei aksiwmatikous sxedon se kathe skini, tin emfanisi tou Aytokratora, ton Han Solo na pilotarei to Falcon mesa stous asteroideis, tin Cloud City, ton YODA na didaskei ton Luke, ton Obi-Wam na emfanizetai ws fantasma... Ola boithane, to senario, i mousiki kai oi topothesies stis opoies symbainoun ola.

    Sto Return of the Jedi, exeis ftasei sto telos. O orismos tou epous einai i poreia tou iroa ws to telos, i opoia ekseliksi eixe stin diarkeia tou taksidiou tou, oi kindynoi kai oi dokimasies pou antimetwpise. O Luke ksekina san agrotis gia na kataliksei fully trained Jedi, gia na antimetwpisei ton patera tou enw o Diavolos o idios steketai pio pera kai gelaei mazi tous... San arxaia tragwdia sto diastima...


    Pou einai i tragwdia sta Prequels? Otan milane, milane, milane sto Senate Chamber sto TPM? Otan oi Jedi kaaaathontai xalllara ston Coruscant kai den kanoun tipota? Otan symbainoun tosa pragmata pou anairoun alla pou eipwthikan stin palia trilogia? O Obi-Wan bgainei synexeia pseftis & i Leia thymatai tin mitera tis mesw tis Dynamis. Wraia. [face_plain]



    Den einai oti peirazoun ola aparaitita, alla ti ton peiraze ton Lucas na kanei kapoia apla pragmata, px:

    Sto ANH, o Obi-Wan leei ston Luke oti "your uncle thought your father should have stayed home and not follow Obi-Ean on some damn' fool idealistic crusade"...

    To Attack of the Clones tha mporouse na min exei apolytws kammia diafora, apla na teleiwnei me ton gamo twn Anakin & Padme kai meta na feygoun gia mia eiriniki zwi ston Tattoine, mazi me ta eterothali aderfia tou Anakin. Meta sto ROTS, o Obi-Wan erxetai kai tou leei pws ton xreiazontai, oi Jedi exoun xasei megalo arithmo kai aytos einai o kalyteros pilotos, ktl, ktl. Kai feygoun gia tin maxi tou Coruscant, opws akribws ksekinaei i tainia...


    Oute i palia, oute i kainouria trilogia einai teleies. Alla gia tin kainouria, oi prosdokies itan megales. Pws mporouse na paei kati straba: O idios o dimiourgos skinothetei, to cast einai fobero kai ta xrimata den einai problima. Alla sxedon tipota apo ayta pou yponoithikan stin palia trilogia den ginane i ginane alliws. Den leme gia genika kai aorista pragmata, alla gia pragmata pou anaferthikane leptomerws (exw grapsei merika se proigoumeno post). Oi tainies blepontai kati parapanw apo eyxarista, as edine ligo prosoxi kai stis leptomereies.

    P.S.: Den tha blepw to Revenge of the Sith kai tha lew "Oh, ti ma**kia egine twra" kai "ayto den tairiazei me tin palia trilogia". Tha paw kai tha goustarw. Tha dw to Duel twn Duels alla giati na min niwthw akoma pio syneparmenos, exontas dei stis 2 proigoumenes tainies aytous tous dyo na einai KOLLHTOI / "PATERAS & GIOS" kai oxi aplos dyo xaraktires pou fainetai san aplws na milane...
  4. gianakin Jedi Knight

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    ---Na sou pw. Den einai epi typou Lord of the Rings i Lawrence tis Arabias alla oi stigmes pou sou sikwnetai i trixa einai polles:

    Grrr,i aparaititi sigkrisi me to LotR.Afou allo to ena k allo to allo,parolo pou einai k ta 2 fantasy.Opos k na exei,ta LotR ta theoro metria metafora k poli kali prospatheia tou Jackson,alla metria.K ekeinos tha mporouse na exei kanei tis tainies kaliteres(an exeis diavasei ta vivlia tha katalaveis),o tipos eixe sxedon etoimo senario,mono afaireseis itan na kanei oxi allages!Oso gia ton Lawrence,emena den mou sikose tin trixa.Isos na einai logo tis epoxis pou zo,alla einai epos mono apo orismo k oxi apo xaraktirismo.Se kavlonei toso oso to SW(gia na to po oma)?Afto ennoo otan rotao epos.


    Sto Return of the Jedi, exeis ftasei sto telos. O orismos tou epous einai i poreia tou iroa ws to telos, i opoia ekseliksi eixe stin diarkeia tou taksidiou tou, oi kindynoi kai oi dokimasies pou antimetwpise. O Luke ksekina san agrotis gia na kataliksei fully trained Jedi, gia na antimetwpisei ton patera tou enw o Diavolos o idios steketai pio pera kai gelaei mazi tous... San arxaia tragwdia sto diastima...

    ---Nai,simfono alla na prosthso k tin eironeia mou:Arxaia tragodia sto diastima me Ewoks.
    Afto pou paratirisa einai oti exeis perigrapsei genikologa ta Ep 4,5,6 gia to geniko senario tous pou fisika gamei k dernei,alla ta kainouria ta ksepsirizeis skini skini.Postare to geniko senario ton Prequel kai ksepsirise tin OT k tha deis tin glika :).Vasika kali idea,tha to kano ego se ligo!


    ---Pou einai i tragwdia sta Prequels? Otan milane, milane, milane sto Senate Chamber sto TPM? Otan oi Jedi kaaaathontai xalllara ston Coruscant kai den kanoun tipota?

    Perimeno to Ep3 gia na apantiso pliros.I Senate einai ta politika meri pou eleipan stin OT giati eixame POLEMO,eno edo oxi.To oti oi Guardians of Peace and Justice arazoun einai apo mono tou tragodia kai makroprothesma tha ferei k se aftous ti diki tous tragodia.O GL to exei pei.Oi Jedi einai parikmasmenoi apo tin kaloperasi.Sto novel tou Ep2 leei para poli eksipna:"O Obi Wan omos oso kalos k na itan sto lightsaber eixe ekpaideftei kirios se texnikes na apofevgei laser k oxi gia na antimetopizei alla lightsaber.Etsi fanike i iperoxi tou Dooku.".Oi Jedi exoun efisixastei akoma k ekei!An to psakseis tha deis oti ola stin PT exoun pio vathos apo oti fainontai.

    ---Otan symbainoun tosa pragmata pou anairoun alla pou eipwthikan stin palia trilogia? O Obi-Wan bgainei synexeia pseftis & i Leia thymatai tin mitera tis mesw tis Dynamis. Wraia. plain

    OK,gia mena tora afto gamei k dernei,oti o Ben egine k ligo antras k leei psemmata,oxi skatifloros(me tin kali ennoia) pou einai san olous tous gkou gkou kalus Jedi.Oso gia tin Leia,apla den me noiazei,afou dothike mia pistefti eksigisi,eimai cool.


    ---Sto ANH, o Obi-Wan leei ston Luke oti "your uncle thought your father should have stayed home and not follow Obi-Ean on some damn' fool idealistic crusade"...

    Psemmata.O Kenobi einai Theos!Otan enas 18xronos akouei gia idealistic Crusade kavlonei.Afto ithele na pathei k o Luke k to petixe(tora den eida kato apo tis robes tou ti egine ;)).

    ---To Attack of the Clones tha mporouse na min exei apolytws kammia diafora, apla na teleiwnei me ton gamo twn Anakin & Padme kai meta na feygoun gia mia eiriniki zwi ston Tattoine, mazi me ta eterothali aderfia tou Anakin. Meta sto ROTS, o Obi-Wan erxetai kai tou leei pws ton xreiazontai, oi Jedi exoun xasei megalo arithmo kai aytos einai o kalyteros pilotos, ktl, ktl. Kai feygoun gia tin maxi tou Coruscant, opws akribws ksekinaei i tainia...

    Poli kali idea.Otan kaneis diko sou epos vale kati analogo mesa!To piases?Den eironevomai.Afto ontos einai klassiko paradeigma se afto to thread.Ti tha allazes?Esi tha to allazes,ego oxi.Eimaste cool!

    ---Oute i palia, oute i kainouria trilogia einai teleies. Alla gia tin kainouria, oi prosdokies itan megales. Pws mporouse na paei kati straba: O idios o dimiourgos skinothetei, to cast einai fobero kai ta xrimata den einai problima. Alla sxedon tipota apo ayta pou
  5. gianakin Jedi Knight

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    Loipoooooon,meta ton mpoufe,ora gia to 2o meros tis dialeksis...
    Pame na knao mia perilipsi ton tainion tis PT kai meta na ksepsiriso ena ena ta lathi ton tainion tis OT.Etoimoi?Sto Apeiro kai akom...kala,kala ksekinao:

    -Sto Epeisodio 1 vlepoume enan galaxia elefthero kai eiriniko,otan arxizoun anataraxes se ena mikro sistima tis Republic.Otan 2 Jedi pane na diapragmateftoun,apodeiknietai oti einai pagida k prokeitai gia ekstrateia anti gia apokleismo_Oi Jei pairnoun ti dikaii vasilissa tou planiti kai drapetevoun,alla ksemenoun se enan erimo planiti.Ekei,san apo moira,tous voithaei ena athoo kai gliko 9xrono paidaki vazontas ti zoi tou se kindino.Ftanontas stin protevousa tou galaxia,vlepoume oti ta pragmata den einai toso eirinika k elefthera,kathos i Republic einai mesa sti diafthora.Akoma k oi Jedi exoun epanapaftei stis dafnes tous.Oi politikoi den mporoun na voithisoun k etsi katafevgoume sti lisi tou Iroa.Maxi gia ton Lao.I maxi ginetai,o Daskalos pethaine mazi me ton Kako,o Mathitis ginetai Daskalos kai to agoraki me tin anektimiti voitheia tou arxizei to monopati tou stin Ipposini.

    -Sto Epeisodio 2 vlepoume enan galaxia efthrafsto kai taragmeno apo tous Aposxistes.Anataraxes pantou k politiki astatheia.I diafthora sto megaleio tis.Oi 2 Jedi exoun k aftoi mia sxesi pou mono teleia den mporei na xaraktiristei.I vasiliassa pou tora einai gerousiastis einai se kindino k to gliko agoraki pou exei ginei polla iposxomenos Jedi tin prostatevei.Omos einai erotevmenos mazi tis,kati epikindino gia enan Jedi.O allos iroas,pou anisixei gia ton filo tou,apla trexei na anakalipsei ton enoxo kai peftei se ena tromero mistiko:eek: galaxias einai etoimos gia polemo,kathos anakaliptei enan stato gia tous kalous,kati adianoito mexri tote.Para tis prospatheies olon,enas proin Jedi pou egine tora Sith fernei ton polemo kai o galaxias pleon kaigetai.En to metaksi o nearos Jedi parakouei tous kanones tou Tagmatos kai pantrevetai.Tora i grammi metaksi kalon-kakon einai tromera lepti.

    -Epeisodio 3.Polemos gia 3 xronia.Thanatoi.Oi Jedi den einai aftoi pou itan k den einai osoi itan.Oi 2 filoi einai pleon iroes kai o nearos exei ginei tora antras kai enai sxedon patnodinamos.Skotonei ton Sith kai ta katorthomata tou einai ksakousta.O polemos sxedon teleionei.Ti mporei na paei strava?Oi Jedi ton xrisimopoioun,to idio k o Kagkelarios,filos mazi tou k pateras gia 13 xronia.Mono pou tora kindinevei i ginaika tou k oi Jedi den mporoun na ton voithisoun,mono oi Sith-o Kagkelarios.O Ippotis kai Iroas kanei tin epilogi tou:ton Sith,o opoios fainetai tosa xronia na einai pio efthis mazi tou apo oti oi Jedi.Peftei.To apotelesma?O polemos teleionei mazi me tous Jedi,pou eksolothrevontai kai mazi me tin Republic pou egine Empire.Pethainei k i egkios ginaika tou.O Daskalos trexei stin eksoria mazi me to 1 paidi tou pesmenou Iroa kai o Arxigos tis Epanastasis pairnei to allo paidi tou.Stin eksoria kai o enapomeinas megalos Daskalos ton Jedi,o Yoda.Ekei perimenoun 18 xronia mexri na erthei mia nea elpida.En to metaksi,o Galaxias stenazei ipo tin Aftokratoria k tous Sith.
    (Omologo,ligo megalitero apo ta dika sou,alla poio sou akougetai pio orimo k olokliromeno?Emena sigoura i PT.An itan alles oi prosdokies ton fans gia to geniko senario,tote....eftixos den tis girisan ekeinoi!).

    Tora,pame gia ksepsirisma tis OT:
    1)Mpa,o Vader den mporei na niosei tin kori tou?Popo,siga ton Chosen One!
    2)O Vader iparxigos tou Tarkin?Apistefto!
    3)Kala,o Luke xanei tous thetous goneis tou kai ton Daskalo tou se 1 vdomada mesa kai otan dialaei 2 TIE Fighters fonazei Yoohoo?Ti kolopaido thee mou!
    4)Kala,perasame 1 olokliro misaoro na mas deixnei pos einai o Tatooine kai ti poulane ta Javas ktl.An thelo tourismo pao k Konstantinoupoli!
    5)Ksafnika o Luke mesa se 3 evdomades einai ikanos na stathei enantion tou Vader k malista enantion tis Dark Side(stin arxi tou ergou den mporouse kala kala na kanei Force Pull to lightsaber sti spilia tou Wampa ipotithetai meta apo 3 xronia ekpaidefsis,esto k monos tou k meta ton vlepoume na kanei apo ola)?Gamatos aftos o Yoda,
  6. gianakin Jedi Knight

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    Kai pame tora.Giati einai tragodia to PT?Eipes prin "pou einai i tragodia?Stin Senate pou milane?Stous Jedi pou kathontai?".K go leo: Sovara milas tora(oxi epithetiko ifos)?Dld mono afto sou emeine?Exeis ena gliko 9xrono miksiariko kai mamakia pou to vlepeis k les "fae ti Velutella sou moro mou".To mikro fevgei apo tin mana tou se evaisthiti ilikia kai gia 10 xronia den exei dei kanena agapimeno tou prosopo(vgazo Kenobi) ektos apo ton Palpatine pou einai k to ipo lathos prosopo gia na dei o Anakin!Skeftetai epi 10 xronia mana k Padme(poios kserei ti kanei ta vradia stous koitones ;)) kai otan erxetai o kairos i mia pethainei,se efthrafsti ilikia=teenager k tin alli tin erotevetai!Jedi+erotas=Gamise Ta!Sfazei ena xorio,etoimazetai na paratisei enan polemo k telika tin pantrevetai kiolas!Ksafnika,to polla iposxomeno Chosen One agori pou egine teenager ginetai epikindinos.Alla ok,exoume polemo,epi 3 xronia einai iroas k telika vlepoume oti xari ston nearo Jedi ola erxontai sta isa tous.Hmmm,o Iroas mallon tha gienei Iroas after all!Gioupiii!!!Alla o Diavolos einai akoma ekei k ton vazei se peirasmo...K o Iroas meta apo tosa asxima pou tou exei dosei i Moira(apoxorismos apo mana,thanatos manas,erotas apagorevmenos k telos apeili apo oneira oti tha xasei KAI tin Padme) leei A Gamisou epeidi einai ANTHROPOS k exei adinamies k kanei ti lathos epilogi.O Iroas peftei k ginetai ekptotos Aggelos sto plevro tou Diavolou k malista voitha stin Sfagi ton allon Aggelon!telika xanei ton filo/aderfo/patera tou Kanobi,xanei tin agapi tou Padme apo diko tou sfalma k epilogi ola k xanei k to idio tou to soma k ti zoi k to Potential pou eixe na ginei o megaliteros Jedi.Alitheia parevlepses afta ola k emeines stous logous ton politikon k stous araxtous Jedi?Ola afta itan organa senariaka gia na ftasoume ekei pou ftasame.Pou?Se 5 meres tha doume oloi!Afta peri tragodias.Diafoneis kapou?K o Luke an skotone ton Vader tragodia tha eixame,alla meiname sto Epos epeidi epelekse sosta(kala an skotone Vader tha eixame kai Ep7-9 gvrm,gamo ton Lucas pou den to ekane!!!).
  7. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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  8. Obi-Kris_Kenobi Jedi Knight

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    gianakin, an synexisoume etsi, the circle will never be complete! ;) Tha leme synexeia ?apopsi sou? kai ?opws to blepei o kathenas? kai den tha teleiwsoume pote. To ?kako? einai oti symfwnw me polles apopseis sou, den allazw tis dikes mou, xese mesa! :p


    Alla as kanoume koubenta. (Egrapses kai polla?Tha egrafa kai egw alla den exw internet spiti kai kathe lepto sto internet café?metraei!)

    Grrr,i aparaititi sigkrisi me to LotR.Afou allo to ena k allo to allo,parolo pou einai k ta 2 fantasy.Opos k na exei,ta LotR ta theoro metria metafora k poli kali prospatheia tou Jackson,alla metria.K ekeinos tha mporouse na exei kanei tis tainies kaliteres(an exeis diavasei ta vivlia tha katalaveis),o tipos eixe sxedon etoimo senario,mono afaireseis itan na kanei oxi allages!Oso gia ton Lawrence,emena den mou sikose tin trixa.Isos na einai logo tis epoxis pou zo,alla einai epos mono apo orismo k oxi apo xaraktirismo.Se kavlonei toso oso to SW(gia na to po oma)?Afto ennoo otan rotao epos

    Otan prwtoeida ton Lawrence, gia merikous mines to thewrousa san tin kalyteri tainia olw twn epoxwn. Einai epos, me tin texnikoteri ennoia tou orou, giati ki edw exoume tin istoria enos anthrwpou pou ftanei se epipedo irwa, sxedon theopoiitai kai ystera erxetai i ptwsi. Kai nai, eixa kavlosei agria. Oxi san to Star Wars omws. Kai gia tin sygkrisi me to Lord of the Rings, exeis dikio, den prepei na ginontai sygkriseis (ektos isws apo ton tropo gyrismatwn & tin paragwgi, pote sto senario & to concept). Thymamai, eixa dei to Fellowship of the Ring kai fysika eixa pathei tin plaka mou, xwris parapono (kai exw diabasei ta biblia ametrites fores, polla xronia prin bgei i Trilogia, kai kamposes meta?). Otan eida to Attack of the Clones, bgika kai eipa ston kollito mou: ?Gamato to Lord of the Rings, alla I kardia mou anikei sto Star Wars?. Ama blepw lightsaber tholwnei to mati mou, pws na to kanoume?!




    Nai,simfono alla na prosthso k tin eironeia mou:Arxaia tragodia sto diastima me Ewoks. Afto pou paratirisa einai oti exeis perigrapsei genikologa ta Ep 4,5,6 gia to geniko senario tous pou fisika gamei k dernei,alla ta kainouria ta ksepsirizeis skini skini.Postare to geniko senario ton Prequel kai ksepsirise tin OT k tha deis tin glika.

    Entelws tyxaia eida to Return of the Jedi simera. Exeis dikaio gia ta Ewoks, me tin diafora oti den einai toso enoxlitika san ton Jar-Jar (alla na parei, ki ayto pali proswpiki apopsi einai [face_frustrated]). Den milane & den einai ?xwmena? se kathe skini (opws o Jar-Jar sto TPM). Kapou diabasa oti o Lucas skopeve anti gia Ewoks na exei Wookies, pragma pou polloi tha protimousane. Eytyxws pou den emfanizontai pouthena kata tin diarkeia tou Duel :p. To opoio to eida pali kai mou sikwthike i trixa. As einai to music theme kai sto Duel tou ROTS, tha sikwthw kai tha xtypaw palamakia sto cinema!

    Oso gia to ?genikologo?, sou eipa pio panw, den exw pote arketo xrono na grapsw osa skeftomai, kapou metaksy downloading, surfing & me to xronometro na grafei?Anagkastika grafw grigora kai genikeyw :(



    Perimeno to Ep3 gia na apantiso pliros.I Senate einai ta politika meri pou eleipan stin OT giati eixame POLEMO,eno edo oxi.To oti oi Guardians of Peace and Justice arazoun einai apo mono tou tragodia kai makroprothesma tha ferei k se aftous ti diki tous tragodia.O GL to exei pei.Oi Jedi einai parikmasmenoi apo tin kaloperasi.Sto novel tou Ep2 leei para poli eksipna:"O Obi Wan omos oso kalos k na itan sto lightsaber eixe ekpaideftei kirios se texnikes na apofevgei laser k oxi gia na antimetopizei alla lightsaber.Etsi fanike i iperoxi tou Dooku.".Oi Jedi exoun efisixastei akoma k ekei!An to psakseis tha deis oti ola stin PT exoun pio vathos apo oti fainontai.

    As ypirxan ta politika meri alla as itane pisteyta kai aplousteymena. Den to briksw logiko, na epithethei kapoios ston Naboo, o opoios den exei ousiastika kanena simantiko rolo ston Galaxia, san ton Corsucant i ton Kamino
  9. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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    ^ Efcharistw gia to ouraiou goubliman gia tin ypografi, kai ehcharistw ton Gianakin kai ton Andwni Kafetzopoulo gia tin embnefsi. :D

    Kai, prin o Gianakin mas prixei ta matia me tin apandisi sou, na bw ki egw na pw tin gnwmi mou...

    Loipon:

    1.) Ta Prequel GAMANE.

    2.) O Palpy "mageireve" tin katastasi stin Gerousia POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLYYYYYYYN kairo prin to incident ston Naboo.

    3.) Stis tainies vlepoume APOSPASMATA apo tin genikoteri katastasi, mia souma. Tis leptomereies tis vlepoume sto E.U.. Eimai sigouros oti i archi tou R.o.t.S. tha se peisei ws mia souma tis filias tou Obi kai tou Ani tin opoia echoume dei extensively sto E.U..
  10. gianakin Jedi Knight

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    Nov 29, 2004
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    A re pousti,poli se xairomai pou kanoume epoikodomitiki kouventa!:D.K pame ksana!

    ---gianakin, an synexisoume etsi, the circle will never be complete! wink Tha leme synexeia “apopsi sou” kai “opws to blepei o kathenas” kai den tha teleiwsoume pote. To “kako” einai oti symfwnw me polles apopseis sou, den allazw tis dikes mou, xese mesa! tongue

    De gamietai,kouventa na ginetai!Alitheia,Athina i Salonika eisai?An eisai Athina,kane kana kalo k ela Paraskevi mazi mas!!!


    ---Entelws tyxaia eida to Return of the Jedi simera. Exeis dikaio gia ta Ewoks, me tin diafora oti den einai toso enoxlitika san ton Jar-Jar (alla na parei, ki ayto pali proswpiki apopsi einai frustrated ). Den milane & den einai “xwmena” se kathe skini (opws o Jar-Jar sto TPM). Kapou diabasa oti o Lucas skopeve anti gia Ewoks na exei Wookies, pragma pou polloi tha protimousane. Eytyxws pou den emfanizontai pouthena kata tin diarkeia tou Duel tongue . To opoio to eida pali kai mou sikwthike i trixa. As einai to music theme kai sto Duel tou ROTS, tha sikwthw kai tha xtypaw palamakia sto cinema!


    To music theme tha einai,xexe!Episis,einai se kathe skini,alla leei olo mlkies,pou os xavaletzis ek fiseos tis sigxoro.Ta Ewoks nikoun tin eklekti legeona tou aftokratora me pipes.Sorry,den mou to pairneis afto_Oi Gungans san laos mou aresoun,sixainomai ton JarJar(an eixan ton stratigo Tarpals anti gia JarJar i tainia tha itan skales anoteri,alla ti nai peis...),alla pio poli sixainomai ta Ewoks.Sorry :)

    ---Oso gia to “genikologo”, sou eipa pio panw, den exw pote arketo xrono na grapsw osa skeftomai, kapou metaksy downloading, surfing & me to xronometro na grafei…Anagkastika grafw grigora kai genikeyw sad

    No problem,opote efkaireis!


    ---As ypirxan ta politika meri alla as itane pisteyta kai aplousteymena. Den to briksw logiko, na epithethei kapoios ston Naboo, o opoios den exei ousiastika kanena simantiko rolo ston Galaxia, san ton Corsucant i ton Kamino gia paradeigma. Ase pou sti thesi tou Naboo tha mporouse na einai o Alderaan, na ginetai pio eykoli I metabasi sto A New Hope. Foberi Republic: H Padme psifizei enantion tou Valoruum, to plithos ksesikwnetai kai kateytheian pame gia allagi igesias. Me tetoio rythmo, tha allazane Chancellor kathe bdomada, opoios eixe parapono tha petage ena “vote of no confidence”.

    Pio aploustevmena tha itan mi peistika.Akrivos to oti i Republic de voithaei deixnei tin parakmi k grafeiokratia.Opos i Ellada einai mikri k gia ton poutso,exei stratigiki thesi,etsi mporei na einai k o Naboo.Pou ksereis ti simasia exei gia to Universe?Na mas to elege o GL tha mou peis.Tha apantiso parakato se afto_Oso gia ton Alderaan...nai,tha mporouse alla den egine.Prosopika,siga tin apoleia,xestika.Eixe alla pragmata na pei o Theios.Kai gia ton Chancellor...profanos eixe erthei o kairos na allaksei,to EU to leei kathara sto Cloak of Deception,eno o Palps itan kala diktiomenos k den eixe kindino apo Vote of no Confidence.


    ---Oi parikmasmenoi Jedi den me peirazoun san idea, tin briskw swsti malista. Alla I ylopoiisi tis me briskei antitheto: Einai to Council kai fainetai san na adiaforei, akoma kai o Yoda. O Qui-Gon tous leei gia ton Darth Maul kai aytwnwn den idrwnei to aytaki tous. Emfanizetai enas clone army, ftiagmenos apo enan bounty hunter pou pige na skotwsei tin Amidala, o Obi-Wan mathainei apo ton idio oti ton proselabe enas typos onomati Tyrranus, kai san na min symbainei tipota, tin katallili stigmi tous dexontai kai tous rixnoun stin maxi, xwris na to psaxnoun to thema parapera. Sto novel leei oti o Obi-Wan eniwse aidia blepontas tous klonous, kati san “biasmos” tis Zwntanis Dynamis. Meta bebaia leei oti einai poly apotelesmatikoi kai tous xrisimopoioun san analwsima ergalia sta Clone Wars. Den einai symponetikoi, einai aprwsopoi, “ksexnane” na xrisimpoiisoun tin Dynami, den mou aresoun katholou stis tainies ws twra (ektos tou Obi-Wan). Sto Clone Wars cartoon kai sta comics omws DEN PAIZONTAI! Ekei malista, mamoun
  11. Obi-Kris_Kenobi Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Sep 13, 2002
    star 3
    A re pousti,poli se xairomai pou kanoume epoikodomitiki kouventa!

    Poion eipes oti kanei epoikodomitiki koubenta re!? :p



    Alitheia,Athina i Salonika eisai?An eisai Athina,kane kana kalo k ela Paraskevi mazi mas!!!

    Opws egrapsa kai se allo thread, eimai stin Thessaloniki, dystyxws alliws tha goustara para poly na erthw. Pali kala pou o "prosylitismos" epiase topo kai ola ta agoria tou tmimatos Agglikis Filologias tou Aristoteleiou (diladi 5 ton arithmo!!!) einai pleon "kammenoi" me to Star Wars!



    To music theme tha einai,xexe!Episis,einai se kathe skini,alla leei olo mlkies,pou os xavaletzis ek fiseos tis sigxoro.Ta Ewoks nikoun tin eklekti legeona tou aftokratora me pipes.

    :eek: Katse, katse ena lepto. Ennoeis to chorodiako pou paizei akribws otan o Luke ta "pairnei" kai ormaei ston Vader? Sto Return of the Jedi panta? Se ksanarwtaw, giati prepei na sigoureytw. Gia to "Duel of the Fates" to kserw oti tha paizei kapoia stigmi alla an einai to kommati apo to ROTJ se kammia kali stigmi, e, tha sygxwrisw ton Lucas gia ta panta! To ennow. Oso gia ta Ewoks pou nikane tous Stormtroopers, pou, opws tonizeis, o Palpatine leei kiolas pio prin ston Luke oti "I have send a legion of my best troops?", e, nai, MEGALH kotsana, oti kai kala "i dynami tis fysis thriamvevei enantia stin texnologia". Pou na min itane kai oi "best", monos tou tha tous katharize o Wicket! Enw sta Prequels & sta Clone Wars, oi Clone Troopers?synousiazoun & ksilokopoun! ;)




    Akrivos to oti i Republic de voithaei deixnei tin parakmi k grafeiokratia.Opos i Ellada einai mikri k gia ton poutso,exei stratigiki thesi,etsi mporei na einai k o Naboo.Pou ksereis ti simasia exei gia to Universe?Na mas to elege o GL tha mou peis.

    An gia ton Galaxia o Naboo eixe kati simantiko, as poume tin technologia twn energy fields, pou exoun oi Gungans (TIPOTA den tis diapernaei) kai pou einai kai sto meros opou ginetai to duel Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon VS Maul, i ta ergastiria klonopoiisis tou Kamino, tote malista, tha ypirxe kapoia simasia. Mexri kai o Tattoine, pou ypotithetai den einai simantikos, an to kaloskefteis einai anamesa ston Naboo kai ston Coruscant, diladi panw se emporiko astrodiadromo (pws tin xeirizomai tin SW orologia o atimos!). Einai aplws enas eirinikos, prasinos planitis?opws AKRIBWS einai o Alderaan! Kai tha deis sto ROTS poso tha moiazoune.



    Gia tous Jedi, eipame na tous deiksei se parakmi, alla oxi kai na exoun ksexasei na xrisimopoioun tin Dynami, mazi kai tin koini logiki! Ase pou den niwthoun enan Sith sta 3 bimata! O Jar Jar & oi ypoloipoi Gungans nikane ta droids sto Episode I, alla 200 Jedi sto Episode II den mporoune na ta bgaloune pera mazi tous se mia arena ston Geonosis. Pou na min antimetwpizane droids alla Sith: Tha ginotane to megalytero makeleio stin istoria twn Jedi, se mono 12 parsecs! ;). Den kanoune Force push, run, pull, tipota. Kai na fantasteis, exeis Anakin, Windu & Obi-Wan anamesa tous, gia na min balw Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo Kloon & tous ypoloipous tou Council, oi dynatoteroi kai kala Jedi?

    As tous ekane kati sto pio ippotiko, oxi toso kathistous. As itane skorpioi stous planites, san rangers (pali o Aragorn mou erxetai sto myalo), na emfanizontai mono stin megali anagki. Ypothitai oti 20 xronia meta, sto A New Hope, I leksi Jedi akougetai san mythos, kaneis den einai sigouros gia tin Dynami, o Han koroideyei, o Tarkin kati fainetai na kserei, o ypoloipos galaxias den exei idea. Ara idi kata tin diarkeia twn prequels, oi Jedi the eprepe na einai ekei alla oxi na apoteloun tin "astynomia" tou Coruscant, alla na einai kata kapoio tropo makria apo ta koina, me tin diafora oti o aplos laos tha itan kahypoptos gi?aytous. Opws itan me ton Gandalf merikoi sto LOTR (kserw, mallon stin spaw, alla paradeigma fernw): Oloi ton ektimoun alla opou paei fernei kaka nea (sta biblia kiolas to leei 2-3 fores). Etsi kai oi Jedi: Mia emfanisi tous simainei problima, fantasou otan emfanizontai
  12. gianakin Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Nov 29, 2004
    star 3
    ---Katse, katse ena lepto. Ennoeis to chorodiako pou paizei akribws otan o Luke ta "pairnei" kai ormaei ston Vader? Sto Return of the Jedi panta? Se ksanarwtaw, giati prepei na sigoureytw. Gia to "Duel of the Fates" to kserw oti tha paizei kapoia stigmi alla an einai to kommati apo to ROTJ se kammia kali stigmi, e, tha sygxwrisw ton Lucas gia ta panta! To ennow.

    Yes,afto ennoo!Tha einai stin tainia,alla na einai k stin maxi Yoda/Palps,alla tha einai.Nai,afto pou les!!!Sigxoresame i akoma?



    ---An gia ton Galaxia o Naboo eixe kati simantiko, as poume tin technologia twn energy fields, pou exoun oi Gungans (TIPOTA den tis diapernaei) kai pou einai kai sto meros opou ginetai to duel Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon VS Maul, i ta ergastiria klonopoiisis tou Kamino, tote malista, tha ypirxe kapoia simasia. Mexri kai o Tattoine, pou ypotithetai den einai simantikos, an to kaloskefteis einai anamesa ston Naboo kai ston Coruscant, diladi panw se emporiko astrodiadromo (pws tin xeirizomai tin SW orologia o atimos!). Einai aplws enas eirinikos, prasinos planitis…opws AKRIBWS einai o Alderaan! Kai tha deis sto ROTS poso tha moiazoune.

    Kati tha exei o Naboo.Sti xeiroteri,des to sa Will of the Force na ginei ekei to Blockade.K sou ksanaleo,den me noiazei gia ton Alderaan,pio poli me noiazei o Bail Organa para o planitis tou(ksero poso moiazoune).


    ---Gia tous Jedi, eipame na tous deiksei se parakmi, alla oxi kai na exoun ksexasei na xrisimopoioun tin Dynami, mazi kai tin koini logiki! Ase pou den niwthoun enan Sith sta 3 bimata! O Jar Jar & oi ypoloipoi Gungans nikane ta droids sto Episode I, alla 200 Jedi sto Episode II den mporoune na ta bgaloune pera mazi tous se mia arena ston Geonosis. Pou na min antimetwpizane droids alla Sith: Tha ginotane to megalytero makeleio stin istoria twn Jedi, se mono 12 parsecs! wink . Den kanoune Force push, run, pull, tipota. Kai na fantasteis, exeis Anakin, Windu & Obi-Wan anamesa tous, gia na min balw Ki-Adi Mundi, Plo Kloon & tous ypoloipous tou Council, oi dynatoteroi kai kala Jedi…

    Well,milame gia ton Palps,oxi gia enan Sith,ara gia mena de stekei afto pou les.Xrisimopoioun ti Dinami,alla mono gia maxes pleon(=parakmi).O Palps den exeis antilifthei akoma poso panisxiros einai?Osso gia tous Gungans,den thimamai na kerdisane kammia maxi.O Anakin ekane to kolpo k tous glitose.Gia tis alles dinameis,ego stin Arena sto Ep2 eida kali k sixni xrisi Push,Pull ktl.K oxi,den tha dexomoun oi Jedi na dialane stratous oloklirous,den mou paei.Tote den tha pisteva oti de tha eniothan enan Sith dipla tous.


    ---As tous ekane kati sto pio ippotiko, oxi toso kathistous. As itane skorpioi stous planites, san rangers (pali o Aragorn mou erxetai sto myalo), na emfanizontai mono stin megali anagki. Ypothitai oti 20 xronia meta, sto A New Hope, I leksi Jedi akougetai san mythos, kaneis den einai sigouros gia tin Dynami, o Han koroideyei, o Tarkin kati fainetai na kserei, o ypoloipos galaxias den exei idea. Ara idi kata tin diarkeia twn prequels, oi Jedi the eprepe na einai ekei alla oxi na apoteloun tin "astynomia" tou Coruscant, alla na einai kata kapoio tropo makria apo ta koina, me tin diafora oti o aplos laos tha itan kahypoptos gi’aytous. Opws itan me ton Gandalf merikoi sto LOTR (kserw, mallon stin spaw, alla paradeigma fernw): Oloi ton ektimoun alla opou paei fernei kaka nea (sta biblia kiolas to leei 2-3 fores). Etsi kai oi Jedi: Mia emfanisi tous simainei problima, fantasou otan emfanizontai xiliades apo daytous – pame gia polemo!

    Em,para poli kali i protasi sou k kapote itan etsi oi Jedi k tora me ton Luke etsi ksanaeinai,alla exoume ena provlima edo.An itan etsi,den tha itan parikmasmenoi.Isos na iparxei mia tripoula me to oti kaneis den tous kserei eno prin apo 18 xronia itan pasignostoi,alla afto kaliptetai efkola me to oti o Plps ekane ta panta gia na ksexastoun.


    ---O Yoda episis, kata tin gnomi mou, den xreiazotane na einai sta Prequels, as itan o uber – Jedi pou kathetai ston Dagobah kai ekpaideyei mono super talantouxous Jedi, san ton Obi-Wan kai ligo ton A
  13. Obi-Kris_Kenobi Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Sep 13, 2002
    star 3
    E, loipon ayti I katastasi den paei allo! Stamataw na grafw otidipote, mexri na grapsei kai kapoios allos?
























    Plaka kanw, ennoeitai omws oti tha ithela na eblepa & alles gnwmes.


    Well,milame gia ton Palps,oxi gia enan Sith,ara gia mena de stekei afto pou les.Xrisimopoioun ti Dinami,alla mono gia maxes pleon(=parakmi).O Palps den exeis antilifthei akoma poso panisxiros einai?Oso gia tous Gungans,den thimamai na kerdisane kammia maxi.O Anakin ekane to kolpo k tous glitose.Gia tis alles dinameis,ego stin Arena sto Ep2 eida kali k sixni xrisi Push,Pull ktl.K oxi,den tha dexomoun oi Jedi na dialane stratous oloklirous,den mou paei.Tote den tha pisteva oti de tha eniothan enan Sith dipla tous.

    Wraia. Oi 12 pio dynatoi Jedi tou Sympantos, apenanti stin idia tin Dark Side prosopopoiimeni, kai den niwthoun tipota. Me basi ta osa exei deiksei o Lucas mexri twra, den yparxei tipota pou na to eksigei. Apla egw kai esy pou eimaste fans, fantazomaste pws tha exei kapoia foberi texniki gia na krybei tin "ayra" tou apo tous Jedi. Oi opoioi, me to paramikro niwthoun "a tremor in the Force". Telika ti einai ikanoi na niwsoun? Pantws paradexomai oti goustara apeira sto Phantom Menace pou ap'olous tous xaraktires, mono o Obi-Wan eniwse pws kati den paei kala. "I sense something?Elsewhere?Elusive?":cool:

    Oso gia to "kolpo" tou Anakin sto TPM, mporei na thewroume oti oti to ekane aytos i ton odigise I Dynami (?) alla opws to deixnei i tainia, o Anakin ta kanei ola tyxaia, afou einai synexeia "oops!" kai "oops!". As edeixne na sygkentrwnetai kapws, na kanei xrisi tis Dynamis, giati twra ayto mporei na ginetai, alla DEN fainetai.




    K se parakalo,mi milas ston GL ston eniko giati mou thimizeis tous bashers para poli.Gnomi mou.K ksereis ti eipe to atomo pou tou milas ston eniko?"Oi fans einai 2 eidon tora.Oi ano ton 25 k oi kato ton 25.Oi ano einai aftoi pou goustaroun tin OT k vrizoun tin PT kirios.Distixos aftoi elegxoun ta mesa,metra i gnomi tous pio poli k se mia sizitisi sto Net aftoi tha akoustoun pio poli.Thelo se 10 xronia na do pos tha gieni,otan k oi alloi fans,pou goustaroun pio poli PT tha einai,pou tha exei i gnomi tous varos."O tipos kserei ti kanei.Tha deis se 10 xronia,oti i meiopsifia einai afti pou einai bashers i tous peirazoun oi leptomereies,akrivos giati eidan tin PT prota.

    OK, den tha ton apokalesw me to mikro tou, estw kai an zoume se mia xwra opou apokaloume tous igetes mas (o Theos na tous kanei!) "Kwstaki" kai "Giorgaki"?:rolleyes: Oso gia to an sou thymizw tous bashers, logiko, olo ekei syxnazw. Mazoxismos? Sxetika me tis ilikies kai to internet, elpizw se 10 xronia na exeis dikio kai na ta thymomaste oloi ayta, bashers & gushers kai na gelame me tis mlkies pou grafame.




    Re si,den tha to pistepseis!Epeidi thelo na gino skinothetis,exo idi kanei 2 tainies k pao gia 3i k 4i,ithela panta na kano mia Trilogia 1821 k alli mia Vizantio!Sou dino to respect mou!!!

    Na'sai kala. Exw kanei kai egw mia tainia alla poly erasitexniki. Fysika arxizei me to sima tis 20th Century Fox kai oi titloi telous einai galazia gramata me mousiki John Williams. ;)

    Gia to "Eighteen Twenty-One" (me baria amerikaniki profora), exw kanei polla sxedia. Fysika the proslambana tin ILM na mou "anastisei" psifiaka ton Sir Alec Guiness gia na ypodithei ton Makrygianni. Kai ton Sean Connery gja Kolokwtroni?Ase sou lew, exw kanei cast gero. To budget bgainei kapou sta 500-600 ekkatomyriakia $ kai oi 3 tainies. Fysika ksereis pws ksekinaei: Deixnei tin teleytai megali maxi, opws stin arxi apo to Fellowship of the Ring, tin alwsi tis Kwnstantinoupolis diladi! Epos sou lew, epos! [face_money_eyes]




    ---A, kai eipame, tha ourliaksw (an den lipothymisw) ama akousw to "Final Duel" Theme sto Duel tou Obi-Wan VS Anakin. Kai meta dinw afesi amartiwn ston Lucas.

    Dose apo tora.


    Katse na ngalw mia kraygi prwta: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Kai meta sygxwremenos, sto onoma tou Yoda, tou Anakin & tis Dynamis.
  14. gianakin Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Nov 29, 2004
    star 3
    ---E, loipon ayti I katastasi den paei allo! Stamataw na grafw otidipote, mexri na grapsei kai kapoios allos…

    Theos.Apla theos!!!


    ---Wraia. Oi 12 pio dynatoi Jedi tou Sympantos, apenanti stin idia tin Dark Side prosopopoiimeni, kai den niwthoun tipota. Me basi ta osa exei deiksei o Lucas mexri twra, den yparxei tipota pou na to eksigei. Apla egw kai esy pou eimaste fans, fantazomaste pws tha exei kapoia foberi texniki gia na krybei tin "ayra" tou apo tous Jedi. Oi opoioi, me to paramikro niwthoun "a tremor in the Force". Telika ti einai ikanoi na niwsoun… Pantws paradexomai oti goustara apeira sto Phantom Menace pou ap'olous tous xaraktires, mono o Obi-Wan eniwse pws kati den paei kala. "I sense something…Elsewhere…Elusive…"

    Vasika o GL exei dilosei oti i kathe plevra den niothei ta deeds tis allis.Ara oi Jedi de niothoun ta apolito kako k o Palps sto Ep5 den niothei ton Luke na ekpaidevetai.Leei oti einai dinatos,me vasi to Death Star oiu dielise.Ara,there you go...Ksero,tha ithels na to deis stin tainia...oh,well!


    ---Oso gia to "kolpo" tou Anakin sto TPM, mporei na thewroume oti oti to ekane aytos i ton odigise I Dynami (?) alla opws to deixnei i tainia, o Anakin ta kanei ola tyxaia, afou einai synexeia "oops!" kai "oops!". As edeixne na sygkentrwnetai kapws, na kanei xrisi tis Dynamis, giati twra ayto mporei na ginetai, alla DEN fainetai.


    Nai,to sizitaga simera me ton Starkeiller afto,e,ligo Amerikania pou psilodikaiologeitai apo ti Force.Alla amerikania nevertheless.



    ---OK, den tha ton apokalesw me to mikro tou, estw kai an zoume se mia xwra opou apokaloume tous igetes mas (o Theos na tous kanei!) "Kwstaki" kai "Giorgaki"… rolling_eyes Oso gia to an sou thymizw tous bashers, logiko, olo ekei syxnazw. Mazoxismos… Sxetika me tis ilikies kai to internet, elpizw se 10 xronia na exeis dikio kai na ta thymomaste oloi ayta, bashers & gushers kai na gelame me tis mlkies pou grafame.

    Apo to stoma sou file mou...apo to stoma sou!K simfono gia tous igetes k gia tin xora.Asta na pane...



    ---Gia to "Eighteen Twenty-One" (me baria amerikaniki profora), exw kanei polla sxedia. Fysika the proslambana tin ILM na mou "anastisei" psifiaka ton Sir Alec Guiness gia na ypodithei ton Makrygianni. Kai ton Sean Connery gja Kolokwtroni…Ase sou lew, exw kanei cast gero. To budget bgainei kapou sta 500-600 ekkatomyriakia $ kai oi 3 tainies. Fysika ksereis pws ksekinaei: Deixnei tin teleytai megali maxi, opws stin arxi apo to Fellowship of the Ring, tin alwsi tis Kwnstantinoupolis diladi! Epos sou lew, epos!

    A,esi eisai akrivos re!Ego tha evaza ton PApakaliati na tis gamaei oles!Plaka kano fisika.Ante na doume mpa k ginei tpt...


    ---Katse na ngalw mia kraygi prwta: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Kai meta sygxwremenos, sto onoma tou Yoda, tou Anakin & tis Dynamis.


    Eeeetsi paianes mou!




    Sygnwmi an fainetai oti ontws antifaskw, apla eksigisa tous logous pou den prolabainw na dwsw epixeirimata Me to "ksemwramenos" den ennoousa na to paw toso makria, na pw diladi oti to exei "xameno" kai kala. To ennow me tin apopsi pws exei ftasei 60+ xronwn, einai stin idia ilikia me ton pappou mou kai fysiko einai aytos ne gelaei i na enthousiazetai me diaforetika pragmata ap'oti egw, gia paradeigma. Aytos isws fantazetai oti o kosmos tha latrepsei ton Jar Jar, gelaei kai mono pou grafei tis atakes tou alla den ginetai na aresei se olous (mono stin kopela mou tongue ). Eixe kataferei omws na ftiaksei agapitous iroes omws, stin palia trilogia. Den katalabaineis leksi apo ayta pou leei o Chewie alla ton goustaroume. O Jar Jar den prosferei tipota sto EpI, ap'oti tha prosefere enas opoiosdipote tyxaios xaraktiras. As itane o Tarpals opws to eipes kai esy, na kanei tin symmaxia Gungans & Naboo. Sto EpII, as epairne tis dynameis tou o Palpy me allon tropo. H thes na pistepsw oti o Lucas eixe skeftei prin apo 10 xronia as poume pws enas Gungan, pou fainetai san diastayrwsi elefanta & papias, tha dwsei emergency powers ston Palpatine…

    Kala ego ton Chewie den ton p
  15. SithLOrd_REvan Jedi Knight

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    Feb 4, 2005
    star 1
    An mhn ti allo einai mia endiaferousa sizhtysh...
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