ST TIE Fighters in the ST

Mexico has some Boeing PT-17's still listed in "active service" for their military, those date back to 1934, but again... just used in airshows and as trainers... might as well be just civilian aircraft at that point.

 

Yup.

I wonder what "real world parallels" there would be?

The YT-1300 could be compared to a DC3 (at least in the EU) - it's an ancient vehicle, that can be used a passenger ship or cargo ship - with heavily armed variants like the Falcon being comparable to the Spooky.

The TIE fighter might be compared to those MiG-15s, Mig-21s etc (if it's still around 50 years after entering service)

The X-wing - maybe to the F-15 Eagle - a superfighter which lasts a long time.

Any other ideas?

 

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To attain the greatest value of these instruments one must cater to as many consumers as possible,catering to the majority of which I have no doubt wish to see TIE fighters on the big screen again.

Therefore I voted YES.

 

Excellent point. Which means that TIEs could be pushing 100 years old. If they are still in use, it could point to stagnation in the galaxy, perhaps as a result of the Empire

 

TIE's didn't enter service right after ROTS, the V-Wing had just entered service in time for ROTS so its highly unlikely a rival design would enter service virtually straight after the rival it lost out to. It more likely that the design and testing of the TIE started straight after ROTS since Palpatine wouldn't need any senate approval then. Anyway if TIE prototypes had been available during the Clone Wars then i'm certain that Jedi would be assigned them.

 

Y-wings would be the B-52 Stratofortress

 

We start seeing what look like TIE prototypes in Darth Vader & the Ghost Prison - set a few months after RoTS.

And they're in the Mist Encounter short story as well - set 19 BBY:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/LN_starfighter

In terms of longevity, maybe. They're not huge bombers though - but small torpedo-bombers.

 

We haven't seen anything remotely close to huge bombers in film for the SW universe though... just Y-wings and TIE Bombers...

 

True. Even in the EU, most bombers are not much bigger than fighters.

Given that the Malevolence episodes of TCW were inspired by the hunt for the Bismarck in WW2

maybe that would make Y-Wings the SW equivalent of the Fairey Swordfish AKA "Stringbag"?

 

Too old and not in active service...

I'd say a better comparable would be something like the F-4 Phantom... still in use outside the U.S. as a fighter bomber.

 

True. If proton torpedoes are the equivalent of ship-killer missiles rather than torpedoes - the Super Étendard might work - pretty old - a strike fighter rather than a bomber:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault-Breguet_Super_Étendard

 

Not bad, but I think my F-4 Phantom comparison fits the age a bit more.

 

Yup. Plus it's American - so if Lucas was inspired by the Eagle or the Tomcat when creating the X-wing (S-foil split may be like Tomcat swing wing) he may also have had something similar for an older counterpart.

The Astromech, in this paradigm, would be the RIO or "Guy In Back" .

 

Which... coincidentally... the Tomcat also required in all models!

 

I wonder what the A-wing analog would be - the Falcon, a small, one man, super-manueverable strike fighter?

 

Maybe the F/A-18 Hornet.

 

No... the big thing with the A-wing was it's tremendous speed.... it loses maneuverability at it's highest speeds, the Falcon is one of the best maneuverable jets out there...with a very high speed/maneuverability ratio for a jet without the later developed tech of thrust vectoring. That being said, the Falcon was actually NOT one of the fastest jets...

I think the best modern comparable would be the Su-27 Super flanker. It's newer than the F-16 and is faster - speed of Mach 2.35 vs the F-16's Mach 2.

Doesn't fit... as amazing as the Super Hornet is... it's slower than the F-16...

 

It's also huge.

All supersonic aircraft are going to be lacking in manueverability at maximum speed anyway. The A-Wing is portrayed as much more manueverable than the X-wing at low speeds, and with a high maximum speed (and in the Complete Vehicles cross-section book, it has thrust vectoring).

It's weaknesses - lack of armor and shielding (it has a shield generator, but not a powerful one).

 

Right, so with thrust vectoring, we're getting into the Su-37 territory... again, an extremely fast Jet... I'm trying to find one that matches those top speeds without being huge, and there just doesn't seem to be a small superfast fighter... the smaller ones IRL are also slower ones. That doesn't fit the A-wing mold, which outpaces everything but Tie-Interceptors.

 

And in the X-Wing Miniatures game - it's better at high speeds than Interceptors are (5 straight is a Green Manuever for them - allowing them to recover from stress - whereas it's a White Manuever for the Interceptor).

The maximum accelerations for them in EU reference books are 5100G for the A-Wing and 4240G for the Interceptor.

 

Ok, I think the closest we'll find is the MiG-29 Fulcrum.

It's not QUITE as small as the F-16 (3 feet larger wingspan, 7 inches longer in length), but still manages Mach 2.3, and even has variants with thrust vectoring.

Here's a MiG-29 pulling off the infamous "Cobra" maneuver...



This images shows both the F-16 and the MiG-29, fairly similar in overall size...



Oh... also of note... the MiG-29 entered service in 1983... the same year as RotJ showed A-wings entering service!

 

If we go Old rather than New - the Saab Draken was old, small (single-engined) - and both fast and manoeuvrable - being capable of supercruise and having a high top speed.

The slightly larger BAE English Electric Lightning is another old but very fast fighter.

 

Well... the A-wing was new "at the time" of RotJ, but would now be slightly aged, just as the MiG-29 is now.

30yrs old for the A-wing when the ST arrives, 31yrs old for the MiG-29 right now.

 

Makes sense.

Star Wars ship evolution might be a bit different than ours - with "the need for speed" continuing, rather than stopping and other things taking precedence.

The B-Wing's nearest equivalent might be something like the A-10 Thunderbolt II "Warthog" - massive guns, massive durability, but slow.

 

The A-10 is an absolute BEAST! I don't know if you've seen one in flight, but they are actually a really impressive sight!