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Timewarp or Incest?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Plo_Koen, Mar 30, 2004.

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  1. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Something occured to me: When you watch the Star Wars episodes in chronological order, there will be a dilemma with Leia's identity:

    If you know who she is, the kiss in ESB will be icky, and the revelation in ROTJ will be lost.

    But If you don't know who she is, ANH will be confusing, because there will be no way to tell that 20 years have passed since episode III, until you get to the Lars' homested.


    Which do you think is the lesser evil?
     
  2. DarthFx3

    DarthFx3 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I hope they don't tell us either of the twin's names. The less they tie in the pt and the ot with specific details the better. One thing I would love is if we DIDN'T see DV in "the suit", that way when Leia says his name it like "OMG Ani survived as THAT!!" , and no Padme death. The more questions left un answered the more compelling the OT will be.
     
  3. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I feel it necessary to point something out about that kiss. She didn't do it at that moment because she was attracted to Luke. She did it to make Han jealous because he was the one causing the party in her pants.
     
  4. Otis_Frampton

    Otis_Frampton LFL Artist, Moderator Emeritus star 4 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    But it's still the most disturbing image of the entire Saga. ;)

    -Otis
     
  5. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    ObiWanJohn,

    Of course that kiss was perfectly innocent, but in this scenario it's not about what they think, but what we think. ;)

    I prefer not knowing myself, I even think the confusing start of ANH would add another twist to the saga.
     
  6. DarthKarde

    DarthKarde Jedi Knight star 5

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    But If you don't know who she is, ANH will be confusing, because there will be no way to tell that 20 years have passed since episode III, until you get to the Lars' homested.

    I don't see how this is a problem.
     
  7. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    In AOTC, I found it a confusing moment to suddenly see a 10 year older Obi-Wan and Anakin, without warning. And that was only 5 minutes into the movie. For me it would have been better if it was somehow worked into the opening crawl...

    But as I said, it could also provide a nice twist in ANH to suddenly see an old Owen and Beru, and a grown up Luke.
     
  8. Max Rebo

    Max Rebo Jedi Youngling star 3

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    the simple solution is to just watch the movies in the order Lucas made them.
     
  9. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Max Rebo, I know that Leia is Luke's sister since 1983.

    But whenever I do a OT marathon, I never really start thinking about Leia as Luke's sister until ROTJ (ok, the end of ESB maybe)

    When I do a Saga marathon in the future, I would like it to be the same (although I don't see it happening)

    My point is that there would be a curious side-effect to it...
     
  10. Ghost_Jedi

    Ghost_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    But it's still the most disturbing image of the entire Saga.
    I think the inside of the wampa is more disgusting personally.

    And you want to watch all 6 movies in a row, that is about 15 hrs strait of a gffa. Better person than me.
     
  11. Jedi_Flux

    Jedi_Flux Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Well Leia has no reason to even think for a second that she has a brother somewhere (Bail didn't inform her.) She knows that she feels something about him. Had she known, then it might be creepy!
     
  12. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    that is about 15 hrs strait of a gffa.

    13 hrs, actually.

    I think the inside of the wampa is more disgusting personally.

    Don't you mean the inside of the Taun-Taun? Anyway, you got a point there...


    I know that "the kiss" is an intruiging subject, but that's not really what this thread is about. I'm more interested in what you guys think about the "timewarp"...
     
  13. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What timewarp? The saga started in the middle. Everyone who's seen the movies knows this. Most of us have known for a long time there were 3 untold stories prior to ANH. Now we have them. I fail to see how watching these in chronological order would cause any confusion.
    I agree with those who say, for enjoyment's sake, it'll be better to watch Ep IV-VI than EP I-III.
     
  14. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Everyone who's seen the movies knows this.

    And what about those who haven't seen them?
     
  15. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well I guess they'll find out won't they. That's the downside to not being around when Star Wars first came out. Oh well.
     
  16. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yes I guess they will, and I'm wondering how they would experience this...

    confusing, or intriguing?
     
  17. fosh-bantus88

    fosh-bantus88 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    i dont see how leias character in ANH is confusing at all.
     
  18. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I know this is hard to grasp, but try to look at this as if you've never seen the movies before:

    The Leia character itself is not confusing, but she is the key to understanding the situation in ANH in context of the Saga:

    The situation in ANH will already be a big departure from the preceding episodes, and the focus will be on different characters. If the virgin viewer also doesn't have an indication of timeframe (the Leia factor), this will be confusing/intriguing, until the viewer suddenly meets an old Owen and Beru (the twist factor), and only then realizes that approx. 20 years have passed since episode III.

    This scenario applies if Leia's identity is kept secret in the PT...
     
  19. ObiwanJohn

    ObiwanJohn Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "If the virgin viewer also doesn't have an indication of timeframe (the Leia factor), this will be confusing/intriguing,"

    No it won't. In Ep III we'll see baby Luke Skywalker. Then in ANH we see a grown up Luke Skywalker. Due to that the Leia factor won't apply. It's not that hard to figure out. Also, Obi Wan will be young in Ep III, than he's old in Ep IV. Plenty of visual clues to show the 20 yr time span.
     
  20. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Read carefully; I said that the "confusion" only lasts until you get to the Larses. That's about 15 minutes into the movie...

    Does it matter? I think it does.

    The beginning of AOTC gave me no reason to think that much time had passed since TPM, and finding out was a weird moment... that was about 5 minutes into the movie, a difference of 10 years, and one unrecognizable actor.

    Compare that to ANH: 15 minutes into the movie, a difference of 20 years, and no recognizable actors. I think you can multiply the "twist factor" by 10...


    This is all hypothetical, as I don't think Leia's identity will be kept secret, but I think it's an interesting speculation anyway.
     
  21. jedi_john_33

    jedi_john_33 Jedi Master star 7

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    If you know who she is, the kiss in ESB will be icky, and the revelation in ROTJ will be lost

    Maybe if GL does SE's for the PT, he can have Anakin give Shmi a big kiss.
     
  22. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    AAARRRGGGHHH! Will you stop about the kiss! :mad:


    ;)

    Does ANYBODY understand the "Timewarp Theory"?

    It would make me feel SO much better.
     
  23. jedi_john_33

    jedi_john_33 Jedi Master star 7

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    when i saw Timewarp, i immediately thought the Rocky Horror Picture Show.
     
  24. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yes, Horror and Sex (together or seperate) seem to attract young males (the target audience), hence the title. [face_plain]
     
  25. Plo_Koen

    Plo_Koen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    In the more likely scenario that the virgin viewer already knows who Leia is, it will still be a surprise to see her as a grown up woman in ANH, and thus realize the passing of time. But at the arrival at the Homested, an older Owen and Beru and a grown up Luke will be expected.
     
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