Amph To Boldly Trek Where Many Geeks Have Gone Before- VOY: Drive, Repression & Imperfection

So would that mean Nom Anor = Dukat?

 

Eh, no. Dukat was a thoroughly self-deluded lunatic. Nom Anor at least knew that, when he lied his *** off to everyone around him, it was a lie

On another note, I picked up Star Trek Insurrection at the library the other day, just to see what everybody hated about it. It's not my favorite movie, but I don't think it was horrible. Then again, I didn't think Nemesis was all that horrible either...

 

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I didn't mind Insurrection, Nemesis was awful, though.

 

Reverse for me, Diggy. Enjoyed Nemesis, but Insurrection was baaaad.

 

See, I went into Insurrection expecting a light-hearted sort of romp, and for me it was the closest to an episode of the show, which I love. I have seen in twice, but both times was about when it was released, so perhaps time and memory are playing tricks.

With Nemesis, I just didn't care for it at all. The plot didn't make a great deal of sense, Data's death didn't make any sense, and then that got cheapened by B2 or whatever his name was. Plus it was a bit of a rip of WoK. But, I have only seen that one once, so again, memory, time.

I'm trying to remember why Data's death bothered me so. If I remember correctly, he grabbed, not built, a personal transporter that would work on one person. I think at the time my first thought was, why not grab two?

But on Trek films overall, they need to get away from the whole revenge thing.

 

True, but revenge stories sell tickets, spatial anomaly stories will only bore the hell out of the non-Trek fans who got dragged into the theater by another Trek fan who will be jizzing themself over it when they see it and then complaining about it on the internet two days later after they read a single critical review of it online.

 

Insurrection was boring and vanilla plain but I'll give it credit for at least feeling like a Star Trek movie and not trying to Hollywood itself up with grimdarkness and turning Picard into a violent action hero like First Contact and Nemesis did.

 

Nemesis has some good story concepts, some nice Picard/Data and Riker/Troi moments, some fairly well executed starship action and a well acted villain. All these elements combine to at least make it watchable. Insurrection has a weak story, boob jokes and Klingon zits.

 

At least First Contact had a basis for Picard acting like he did in that film and even went so far as to do a flashback of him being converted by the Borg at the beginning of the film for those who may not have watched the TNG eps and thus clue in those fans as to his motivations.

 

If you look very carefully early in the movie you can see a photograph of Picard as a cadet behind his desk in his quarters. Its actually a photograph of Tom Hardy in full make up and a uniform.

 

The thing that really undermined Nemesis, and perhaps arguably Insurrection as well, was its budget. Brent Spiner was directly involved in the script writing process and was responsible for bringing in John Logan. He has gone on record as saying that if Nemesis had had the kind of budgets that Star Trek and STID have had, than Nemesis would have been a much better movie.

 

I saw Nemesis again back in May, and it actually holds up decently despite its rather small scope. It's kinda like a lackluster series finale, similar to Voyager's Endgame actually.

 

You know I can actually buy this, at least for Nemesis. Insurrection was -- even at it's core -- a mediocre story for the silver screen. But Nemesis had the potential to be more and I can see how it could have been shaped in it's execution by a poor budget. No flashbacks of young Picard (IA with The2ndQuest that it would have created the appropriate dramatic impact when Hardy was revealed). A plot that revolves around Shinzon deciding to fly his ship to Earth out of some sort of misplaced revenge -- which meant that all they needed were a few good sets and some fx of space battles. A glossed over Shinzon/Reman take-over of Romulus.

I wish the movie had stayed with the Romulus/Remus storyline: how cool would it have been to see what those worlds really look like? But that would have required going on lots of locations and big sets and stuff.

 

I can actually kind buy that argument for Insurrection as well. It might explain why the story was what it was, when is should have been about the Dominion War. A Dominion War movie would probably have to be at least $120 million movie, Obviously, at the time Paramount was unwilling to pay that much money for a Star Trek film.

 

Nemesis is more of a failure as it killed its series and its franchise.

 

Call to Arms is just stunningly good, but also shows exactly how far out from under the shadow of B5 the series has come. That we see both Sisko and Dukat commanding the battle, each countering the other's move is a great addition to what could have been a dull big battle scene. The trick to SFX battle sequences is to make the audience feel it and Call to Arms achieves that.

DSN did it better!