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Amph To Boldly Trek Where Many Geeks Have Gone Before- VOY: Drive, Repression & Imperfection

Discussion in 'Community' started by The2ndQuest , Jun 25, 2006.

  1. Darth_Omega

    Darth_Omega Force Ghost star 6

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    I'll be fine with it as long as Kirk shoots first :p ;)
     
  2. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Kirk never shoots first- he prefers to punch. [face_beatup]


    121- Return of the Archons:
    -Premise: The crew, investigating the dissapearance of anotehr ship from 100 years ago, encounter a world being brainwashed into a peaceful and tranquil society.
    -T2Q Comments: I liked this one- though not as much as others. Still, I got a crack out of the "You will be absorbed!" line, if only because I had that line as a sound file on my computer lonnng ago (probably about 10 years at least) that I had downloaded off of AOL, but never knew where it was from.
    Anyways, the only major prolem with the episode is the "festival" riots that played a prominent role in the early aprt of the episode was never explained, so it comes across as pretty random after al is said and done. Another "good episode, but not necessarily essential".

    122- Space Seed:
    -Premise: Episode to which Wrath of Khan is the sequel to. The Enterprise discovers a sleeper ship carrying several enahnced humans aboard- including one Khan Noonien Singh.
    -T2Q Comments: Though the chick who falls for Khan is written too weak for my tastes, her addiction to him is played well. Any complaints aside- Khan is cool, and watching Ricardo play him is just fun ::) With it being the basis for Star Trek II, it, above any other episode in this series, so far as I can tell, is Essential.

    123- A Taste of Armageddon:
    -Premise: Sent to open diplomatic relations with a world, Kirk discovers a society that ahs been at war for 500 years- only the war is fought virtually by mathematicly compuation, and the casualties are sent into suicide booths, to maintain the war without destroying the culture and infrastructure.
    -T2Q Comments: Kirk: 2, Computers: O ;). A pretty solid episode- fairly decently acted and it definitely has that old-school written sci-fi feel to the story concept. Only shortcoming was the diplomat acting like a fool fr the first hal of the episode, but at least he wisened up towards the end. Still, having him be a more believable and effective diplomat less susceptible to obvious deception could have made this a a really great episode. So, while good, it almost has a "missed opportunity" vibe to it, so far as that facet goes. Also, someone should tell the Q Continuum that someone has been trying to make hats funnier than theirs.
    Good Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential.



    Up next- 124: This Side of Paradise, 125: The Devil in the Dark & 126: Errand of Mercy.
     
  3. Zaz

    Zaz Jedi Knight star 9

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    The first one isn't bad, but not Essential.

    "Space Seed" is indeed essential; Montalban is really dynamic, and Kirk really can't compete.

    "Armageddon" has a really interesting concept--very ingenuous. I would say more essential than not.
     
  4. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Next batch:

    124- This Side of Paradise:
    -Premise: The crew, sent to evacuate colonists from a world being exposed to harmful radiation, finds the population to be of perfect health- and under the influence of spores that induce happy feelings, which begin to infect the entire crew.
    -T2Q Comments: This is definitely a "been there, done that" for this series, as much of the concept (mainly the "outside influence making populations content, and how that stagnates a society" angle) is a retread of "return of the Archons", while the spreading spores harkens back to The Naked Time.
    However, this episode isn't all that offensive or annoying like naked Time, nor does it have a huge element left unexplained like the Festival from Archons- it's just kinda dull for the most part.
    Also, the flower that spores Kirk comes out of nowhere, which is kinda funny since it makes it seem like the flower is stalking him, hehe.
    And the last Captain's log entry is spoken aloud to nothing but the transporter console. There's also the girl's line that she's "never seen a starship before", which is pretty funny considering she would have ahd to have been ona starship to have been brought to the planet in the first place (as the colonists were only there for a short period of time, not long enough for her to have been born there and grown to that age), not to mention she and Spock had met elsewhere at some point in the past.
    I also have to comment that any attempt thus far to make Spock work with feelings has never really been executed very successfully- every time I see him smiling with a grin, i just keep being reminded of Nimoy's Hobbit song... ;)
    I'd classify it as "OK, but not essential".

    125- Devil in the Dark:
    -Premise: The crew is sent to assist a mining colony where the miners have been attacked by an unknown creature in the caves.
    -T2Q Comments: This episode could be summarized with three words- "Turn! Zoom! Scream!". As each time the creaure attacks, they do that exact same thing. [face_laugh]
    Actually not a bad episode overall, except that the spheres-are-eggs element is made way too obvious the moment Spock first remarks about them near the episode's start. Also, for a creature so set on protecting it's eggs, it's rather odd that it would cause a cave-in in an area containing some of the eggs.
    Still, "Good Episode, But Not Necessarily Essential".
    And remember- "Turn! Zoom! Scream!"

    126- Errand of Mercy:
    -Premise: The Enterprise must help bring a strageticly located planet to the side of the Federation before the Klingons can.
    -T2Q Comments: This was a pretty good episode, once one gets past the old smooth foreheaded Klingon look (thankfully explained in a two-parter on Enterprise, at least). Kor is an interesting villian (one who apparantly made a few appearances on DS9, played by the same actor- who, it took me awhile to realize, was the same actor who played Baltar on the original Battlestar Galactica), though the Organians likely being powerful beings was too obvious (though perhaps it's not so bad, if taken in the context of the Trek sgaa being viewed in chronological order, where an episode of Enterprise has already revealed the Organians as powerful beings). And Kirk was a bit too bull-headed (even he should have been smart enough to maintain a more convincing cover for more than 30 seconds). Also, Kirk's comment at the end that "we think of ourselves as the most powerful beings in the universe- it's unsettling to discover that we're wrong" is just a damn odd one to hear since they've met at least a half-dozen beings more powerful than humans in this season alone.
    Still, given the Kor, Klingon and Organian connections to the greater mythos, not to mention being pretty watchable, this episode is definitely essential.

    Up next, the last three Season 1 episodes: 127: The Alternative Factor, 128: The City on the Edge of Forever and 129: Operation Annhilate!.

    By a nice coincidence, TCOTEOF was this past weekend's SE trek episode, s
     
  5. Zaz

    Zaz Jedi Knight star 9

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    I agree about "This Side of Paradise"; I have fond memories of "Devil in the Dark"; and I don't remember the third one.
     
  6. JohnWesleyDowney

    JohnWesleyDowney Jedi Master star 5

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    There's also the girl's line that she's "never seen a starship before", which is pretty funny considering she would have ahd to have been ona starship to have been brought to the planet in the first place (as the colonists were only there for a short period of time, not long enough for her to have been born there and grown to that age), not to mention she and Spock had met elsewhere at some point in the past.

    She's not saying she's never been on a SPACESHIP, she's saying she's never
    been on a STARSHIP, a Federation ship so large that it can hold hundreds of
    crewmembers. She certainly traveled to the planet as a younger person on a spaceship,
    but nothing the size of the Starship Enterprise. How many starships are in the fleet? I have
    no idea, I'm sure someone does, but I doubt every person who's ever been in space in the ST
    future has necessarily been on a ship that big. It's certainly an elite class of spacecraft.

    Fair enough?
     
  7. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I don't think there's much of a difference between the phrase "starship" and "spaceship", especially in a Trek context and in this instance where she would have been aboard a vessel of decent size to accomodate all the colonists, supplies and livestock.

    I mean, sure, if one wants to get nitpicky, one might say that not all spacecraft, like short range shuttles and the like, are starships, but again, she would have taken a ship capable of long range flight to bring her there, so that possible distinction doesn't apply regardless.
     
  8. JohnWesleyDowney

    JohnWesleyDowney Jedi Master star 5

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    Of course there's a huge difference. I'm not even that big of a trek fan and I'm keenly aware of this. Listen to the dialogue throughout the series. It's made clear over and over again that a Starship is an extraordinary vessel in terms of size, firepower, crew, etc. It's also made clear repeatedly that to command a Starship is an extraordinary honor and responsibility as opposed to commanding a more mundane vesssel, so it's not just a "spaceship", it's a Starship. It's not being nitpicky, it's the nomenclature of the series. That's my 2 cents and final comment...we'll have to agree to disagree.
     
  9. General Kenobi

    General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    JWD is right. There are numerous scenes in Star Trek that note the distinction between a starship and an ordinary spaceship.

    A starship is seen as a state-of-the-art vessel with an elite crew.
     
  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Upon further reflection, I conceed the point so far as TOS terminology goes.
     
  11. Zaz

    Zaz Jedi Knight star 9

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    Having cleared that up, can you tell me more about the third episode, so that I can remember it?
     
  12. General Kenobi

    General Kenobi Administrator Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    In "Errand Of Mercy", the Federation and Klingons are about to go to war over control of the strategic planet Organa. The Organians appear to be a very simple, non-industrialized people. Both sides try to control them through their standard means. But the Organians are not what they appear on the surface...
     
  13. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    ...The Klingons invade and take over the planet. Following their orders, the Enterprise retreats until reinforcements can arrive, leaving Spock and Kirk on the planet, disguised as an Organian and a Vulcan trader. Kirk tries as much as he can to show the Organians that they have to fight for their freedom, trying to do so by example, but his attempts seem futile as they refuse to take any action, feeling there is no threat. The Klingon commander, Kor, is about as disgusted and frustrated by the Organians as Kirk is.
     
  14. Zaz

    Zaz Jedi Knight star 9

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    And...?
     
  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, I didn't want to spoil it for you :p ;)

    Eventually Kirk and Spock are imprisoned, but the Organians free them. As punishment, Kor starts executing 200 Organians every hour or two that Kirk is not turned over. The Organians still do not wish to fight. Kirk and Spock manage to storm Kor's HQ, but they are stopped from firing as all the weapons suddenly become super-hot (the same happens to the control panels of every Starfleet and Klingon warship in the galaxy). The Organians are actually beings of pure energy that merely cerate the illusion of corporeal form. The Organians basicly convince/force both sides not to go to war, mentioning they will one day be allies.
     
  16. Zaz

    Zaz Jedi Knight star 9

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    Okay, *now* I remember it. Good episode.
     
  17. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    As a small interlude while I finish watching the next 3 episodes, I noticed this week's SE episode was Arena, so since I've reviewed that already, just wanted to comment on it. The Gorn hasn't become CGI, but they added digital eyelids to blink every now and then- which is both amusing and surprisingly effective, at least for our first glimpse of it (I've only skimmed part of the episode so far).
     
  18. Zaz

    Zaz Jedi Knight star 9

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    I didn't know that they were adding things to the shows...
     
  19. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    They're adding small touches here and there, beyond the CGI starship shots and rerecorded music- things such as matte paintings, smoothing over the seams of an android's stomach plate (and updating the revealed circuitry), adding a missing phaser beam, replacing the chronometer on Sulu's console and improving the Horta's tunnel-making effect from Devil in the Dark.

    Love this shot:

    [image=http://trekmovie.com/wp-content/uploads/imudd/enterprise_leaves_new.jpg]


    This site has some good before-and-after shots from the episodes so far.

    They even have a divx clip of the blinking Gorn.
     
  20. Darth-Stryphe

    Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    That is a cool shot. I still am against these updates, for the most part, but they are gone well.

    -T2Q Comments: This was a pretty good episode, once one gets past the old smooth foreheaded Klingon look (thankfully explained in a two-parter on Enterprise, at least).

    It was? What was the explanation?


    where an episode of Enterprise has already revealed the Organians as powerful beings

    It did? I missed more Enterprise than I thought -- well, not hard since I missed 2.5 seasons of it (deliberately, mind you).
     
  21. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    There was a 3-parter in the 4th season of Enterprise that dealt with a group of human Augments (like Kahn) who were made by Dr. Soong (whose work would eventually lead to Data), they steal a Klingon Bird of Prey. However the Klingons get access to some of the Augment DNA and try to adapt it to themselves- but this resulted in the ridges disolving. One of the subjects had some kind of flu which mutated from the DNA and became airborne, spreading to many other Klingons. This change was passed on to their children, as well (though apparently was cured at some point between TOS and the first movie).

    Two Organians, in I believe another 4th season episode, inhabit various crew member bodies to study them.


    Really, the 4th season was the only one worth watching ;)
     
  22. Palpateen

    Palpateen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think it's surprising Paramount took so long to update the original series.
    Lucas was fixing up the original SW in the mid 90s.
     
  23. Darth-Stryphe

    Darth-Stryphe Former Mod and City Rep star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Hmm, from what I have heard, 4th season really is the only season to watch. As a friend told me, they realized it was to be there last and handed it off to fans to write, and so they actually came up with a good season. Imagine that.
     
  24. Palpateen

    Palpateen Jedi Padawan star 4

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    handed it off to fans to write,

    how did they do that?
     
  25. Zaz

    Zaz Jedi Knight star 9

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    There were only three seasons of the original Star Trek...