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  1. gianakin Jedi Knight

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    O prwtos?

    Yoda.Hands Down.

    See? Mono ypotheseis boroume na kanoume etsi pou ta 'kane o Lucas... frustrated Siga min apandouse ola ta erwtimata sto III... Edw tha 'maste na to syzitame mechri na mas pei o idios... Egw ypostirizw pws itane o dimiourgos tou, ki o Gianakin to anditheto... Poios echei dikio? Egw vrika epicheirimata... Kai i andipali plevra echei... As to syzitame, alla zoumi den tha vgaloume, to prama den echei souma, ki afto giati o Lucas afise mono mia yponoia apo to archiko tou concept kai me yponoies ginetai aplws sizytisi, den vgainoune results...

    Ontos,ara den exei noima na to sinexiso...


    Na se valw se skepseis, filtate, legondas sou pws akrivws tin stigmi pou o Anakin bainei mesa, fevgei to fwtoxifos ap' to Wind(ow)u. Mono afto.

    Prosekse ksana.Molis tin ksanaeida tin skini.O Anakin mpainei ekei pou o Palps exei ftasei sti gonia k ton exei karfosei ekei o Mace.To skiniko pou peftei to saber kathos k ti girvoulia pou ekane o Palps otan epese gia na treksei sti gonia den tin eide.


    Re, to makiyaz einai fovero, protimas diladi afto tou R.o.t.J. me ta stravokollimena prosthetics?

    Sorry,mallon den to diatiposa kala.I mapa tou KATHOS allaze.To makigiaz mou aresei para poli.Oi mesaies faseis den mou aresan,pou itan sa na kremage to pigouni tou.


    Twra, oli ypokritiki stis skines aftes einai ypervoliki apo merous tou Mac, ws metavatiki apo tin aristourgimatiki tou ermineia ws corruptor Palpatine prin kai tin apolafstiki tou ermineia ws trisathliopankakistou Satana Sidious who's having the time of his life. Ti tha yparchei anamesa s' afta ta dyo? Enas Palpy pou paizei kako theatro, me ypervolikes grimatses san afti tou icon mou kai Gollum-ikes stigmes. Egw gi' afto goustarw. Paidi mou, o typos einai Vretanos Saikspirikos thiasarchis, ta 'chei planarismena ola, vazei poly meraki stous rolous tou. Des to opws kai tin ksifomachia: THEATRO.

    Gi'afto den mporeis na me peiseis,asto.Einai toso kako sta matia mou,pou den allazo gnomi.Den zitao ton logo giati to kanei,alla giati tou eipe o Theios na to kanei etsi(opos eipe o KerSoth:"Ian,thelo se afti ti skini na xtipisoume to LotR,mporeis na kaneis kati Gollumiko?" "Fisika,asto epano mou!")K min genikeveis,me to "meraki stous rolous" ktl.Eipa mia Gollumiki grimatsa,den eipa polles.An itan polles tha tis eixa sinithisei.Alla afti itan mia k itan xtipiti.That's all.
  2. Starkeiller Force Ghost

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    Prosekse ksana. Molis tin ksanaeida tin skini. O Anakin bainei ekei pou o Palps echei ftasei sti gwnia k' ton echei karfwsei ekei o Mace. To skiniko pou peftei to saber kathws k' ti gyrvoulia pou ekane o Palps otan epese gia na treksei sti gonia den tin eide.


    But still, itane se afto to plaisio. Eniwse na plisiazei o Anakin kai eipe: "Okay, wra na kanoume ton animboro gerako, katse na min me dei me fwtoksifos, chwris tha fainomai poly pio adynamos...". ;)

    Sorry, mallon den to diatypwsa kala. I mapa tou KATHWS allaze. To makiyaz mou aresei para poly. Oi mesaies faseis den mou aresan, pou itan sa na kremage to pigouni tou.


    Ontws, emena mou thimize pithiki. [face_worried] Alla i teleftaia metavatiki fasi, pou itan o idios o Mac me to makiyaz full psifiako moutsouni, itan foveri. I I.L.M. meta to III einai etoimi na prochwrisi ston dromo twn full fwtorealistikwn close-ups anthrwpinwn psifiakwn charactirwn. :cool:

    Gi' afto den mporeis na me peiseis, as'to. Einai toso kako sta matia mou, pou den allazw gnwmi. Den zitaw ton logo giati to kanei, alla giati tou eipe o Theios na to kanei etsi (opws eipe o Ker-Soth: "Ian, thelw se afti ti skini na chtipisoume to L.o.t.R., boreis na kaneis kati Gollumiko?", "Fysika, as'to epanw mou!"). K' min genikeveis, me to: "meraki stous rolous" k.t.l.. Eipa mia Gollumiki grimatsa, den eipa polles. An itan polles tha tis eicha synithisei. Alla afti itan mia k' itan chtipiti. That's all.


    Kala, ase pou to echei grammeno to L.o.t.R. o Theios, giati afto ein' alli ypothesi... ;) Apla apokleietai na tou eipe o Theios: "Pes tin ataka youvetsi...". To poly na tou eipe: "Na eisai ypervolikos". Kai to syndew ksekathara me to meraki stous rolous, giati itan schediasmeno down to the last detail na paizei etsi o Mac, kai itan ypervolikos kata tin diarkeia olokliris tis skinis {mono tin grimatsa pou kanei prin paei na karwfwsei ton Mace sto Wind[ow]u des ([face_laugh]}.
  3. Obi-Kris_Kenobi Jedi Knight

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    Sas parousiazw tin diki mou analysi kai proxwrw se sxoliasmo merikwn apopsewn kai sxoliwn.

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    H skini opou o Mace kai oi alloi 3 Jedi perigrafetai sto senario ws eksis: "Oi 4 Jedi Masters kanoun tin eisodo tous sto grafeio tou Palpatine, mia eikona apo pistolero tis Palias Dysis...". Magkes foberi perigrafi! To plano einai akribws etsi, me ton Mace mprosta apofasismeno. Latreyw ta plana me steady-cam i gerano, pou akolouthoune tin kinisi twn xaraktirwn kai edw einai ena tetoio plano, an kai ligo mikro.

    O Palpy apolambanei tin thea apo ti megali tou, soon to be blasted into tiny pieces, tzamaria, otan aisthanetai (sigoura tous aisthanetai o k@r1olis! Sigoura!) tous Jedi na erxontai. Isws na mporei na niwsei kai tin apeilitiki tous prothesi, alla to pezei casual kai apla tous pianei koubentoula gia ton Grievous. O Mace, i alliws Master Shaft Windu, den masaei omws:

    "In the name of the Galactic Senate of the Republic, you are under arrest, Chancellor!"

    Epitelous o Samuel Jackson exei tin eykairia na einai o eaytos tou! Hmouna panta antithetos i mallon adiaforos me tin epilogi tou gia ton Mace (ena Morgan Freeman tha itane...:eek:) alla gia tetoies skines kai atakes, einai foberos!


    PALPATINE: Are you threatening me, Master Jedi?

    MACE: The Senate will decide your fate.

    PALPATINE: (fwni Palpatiine apo Ep6!) I am the Senate!

    MACE: Not yet!


    O Palaptine to katalabainei pws pleon prepei na skotwsei kai malista den exei kanena logo na krypsei pleon tin Sith ypostasi tou. H allagi fwnis kai ekfrasis einai foberi douleia apo McDiarmid, apisteyto pws ton pirane se prwti fasi tote to 1980-kati! Alla pisw stin maxi: O Palpatine poso kairo na exei na skotwsei Jedi me ta idia tou ta xeria? Edw kai kammia 15etia eixe allous Sith na kanoun tin brwmiki douleia. Alla bebaia, kapoios prepei na emathe ston Maul tin texniki tou, swsta? Twra polloi mporei na aporisoun, alla den exw kanena problima me ton Palaptine na polema me to saber! Polloi bashers lene oti isxyroi Sith i Jedi san tous Palpy/Yoda prepei na polemane mono me tin Dynami, ontas pleon "kyriarxoi" tis. OXI! Akoma kai o pio isxyros Sith katexei tin texni tou lightsaber, kai mono apo arrogance isws na to afisei kapoios. O Palpy den exei saber sto ROTJ giati den goustarei. Exei epityxei tin oloklirwtiki niki apenanti stous Jedi kai exei ton Vader gia na katharizei oti stathei empodio. Gia na ekplagei akoma pio poly o gianakin, den to thewrw contradiction otan leei - sto EpVI - "Ah, the weapon of a Jedi" kai deixnei to lightsaber. Einai o Master tis Dark Side, dialekse gia oplo tou to lightning kai opoios thelei as tolmisei na tou paei kontra! To kolpo me to lightsaber pantws, na bgainei apo to maniki mou thymise to Taxi Driver!:p An o Lucas ithele na apodwsei foro timis stous filous tou skinothetes, dialekse lathos tainia. Tha sas pw sto telos (bazw edw ena *)

    "It's treason then...

    Ti na leme twra!!! Me argi kinisi anabaei to saber, arxontas, den kwlonei katholou kai me mia efialtiki kraygi kai mia...piroueta, ormaei stous Jedi! Ayti i kraygi einai kateytheian apo tin kolasi, otan tin akousa sto trailer prwti fora ta 'paiksa! Einai i kraygi enos teratos pou dipsaei gia aima, to opoio exei kairo na geytei omws. Etsi kai o Palpy. Arketa atoma brikane tin "piroueta" atairiasti kai isws geloia, alla den kserw, emena m'aresei. Einai kati to apokosmo: O tropos pou ourliazei, petagetai, kinitai... Sxedon perimena oti tha kinoutane san skia, tha tous ekane tipota trela Force illusions, na psaxnontai.

    Loipon, pali arketoi exoun problima me ton tropo pou skotwnontai oi alloi 3 Jedi plyn tou Mace. O Palpatine trabietai pros ta pisw, sprwxnei arga to spathi tou ston Agen Kollar, gyrnaei me oli tin anesi tou, skotwnei me peripou idio tropo ton Saesee Tiin kai o Kit Fisto "peftei" meta apo 3 OLOKLHRA desyterolepta! Entaksei, den einai kai oti pio aristotexniko skinotheti
  4. Obi-Kris_Kenobi Jedi Knight

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    Aaax, irtha kammenos apo tin thalassa simera (ti perimenate, na gyrisw kammenos apo lava? ;)) kai alli oreksi den eixa apo to na apantaw se [Manolo] thaymasia, thaymasia posts! [/Manolo]

    Katarxin, wraia analysi gianakin! Xortastikotati tha elega kai me poly humour. Tha deis oti moiazoune oi analyseis kai malista, stekomaste sta idia simeia.



    ...eno ton Mace voitha gia ligo o Kit "xamogelo tis Crest sto Ep2" Fisto,protou k aftos pesei epaksia sto pedio tis maxis.

    LOL! Alla oxi kai "epaksia", 2 sec. antekse...


    ...Edo to mono simeio pou den mou arese,o Sid kanei san to Gollum otan leei to "no,no,no YOU will die!" k petaei ton keravno.Poli ipervoli k den mou arese.Anyway.

    Den to eida pote san to Gollum. Alla an thes tin gnwmi mou, des tin fasi sto Minority Report, me ton Tom Cruise na kanei tin paralytiki enesi sto sagoni tou kai na paramorfwnetai elafrws. Paratirise kai to effe kai pes mou ti sou thymizei... H ILM den ta ekane ta FX kai ekei?[face_thinking]



    O Sid rixnei ena sataniko xamogelo sigourias k epivevaiosis protou petaksei akoma mia classic SW ataka "Power,Unlimited Power" k gemisei ton Mace me oli tin DEH tis Elladas k ton steilei ekso apo to Wind(ow)u!

    LOL, kalo ayto me tin DEH! Oso gia to Wind(ow), pote den perimena oti kapoios ektos Agglikis Filologias tha xeirizotane toso kala ta minimal pairs gia na dimiourgisei word play! :p



    En to metaksi,o Anakin exei petaksei to "What have I done?",metanionontas amesos gia tin praksi tou afti.

    DEN to metaniwse, iksere ti ekane. Apla SYNIDOPOIISE poso tromero itan ayto pou egine. Allo na to skeftesai kai allo na to kaneis...


    O Anakin ena vlemma "otan soso tin Padme tha sou ksigiso",peta to "Thank you,my Master"(k to pisteve otan to elege,sou leo,ouououou!).

    Skeftika na to sxoliasw kai egw. Fysika exeis dikio, afou argotera ston Mustafar, to leei stin Padme oti mporei na to nikisei kai na ginei aytos Emperor...



    ...Oso ta elege ola afta o Sid,evaze k tin koukoula tou k me to pou ti foraei,sa na tairiazei apolita to peplo epano tou kai na to fora oxi aftos,alla oi skies:...

    Fobero! =D=



    Only then will you be strong enough in the DarkSide to save Padme!",gia na min ksexniomaste kiolas gia to giati egine o Anakin kakoulis.

    Tha protimousa o allos logos gia ton opoio episis egine "kakoulis", i anazitisi gia perissoteri dynami, na einai ligo pio emfanis. Giati ypirxe kai ayto, swsta?




    Alla varethika na katarriptw TO IDIO epicheirima yperaspizomenos tin ischy aftou tou prwimou concept tou Lucas (giati archika YPIRCHE KSEKATHARA afto, allo pou emeine mono ws yponoia, opws kai me ton Qui-Gon pou emeine mono ws anafora). Otan stin opera anaferei tin Skoteini Plevra, milaei gia DYO dynameis, tin dynami na swzeis allous apo ton thanato, profanws yparkti kathws tin anapolei o Palpy stin monadiki proswpiki tou stigmi stin oli skini me to: "Ironic, isn't it? He could save others from death... but not himself...". kai tin alli, pou me toso melistalachto yfaki kai goutsougoutsou fatsoulini anaferei, tin dimiourgia zwis. Twra i psemmatountza engeitai sto oti yxere ondws ta panda pou tou eiche didaxei o Daskalos tou, alla eipe ston Vader: "Trava paidi mou sfakse dyo 5-chrona kai kana' kapitala Separatist, kai to doulevoume to prama PRAKTIKA...". See? Only one has ACHIEVED. To oti ixere tin techniki den simainei pws eiche swsei kai kanenan apo ton thanato... Poion na swsei? Tin gata tou?

    An kai trabigmeni thewria gia ta gousta mou, Starkeiller, tin briskw EKSAIRETIKA endiaferousa! A, =D= gia sena (4i proboli) kai gia tin mama! [face_laugh]



    Opws eipe kai to patriwtaki mou i ithopoiara o Mac Diarmid...

    To patriwtaki sou? Apo Skwtia grafeis, i yparxei Skwtseziko aima sto aima sou? Sobara se rwtaw.



    Re, to makiyaz einai fovero, protimas diladi afto tou R.o.t.J. me ta stravokollimena prostheticks?

    To makigiaz sto ROTS kai sto ROTJ eksypiretei
  5. DarthSyphus Jedi Master

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    H skhnh sto grafeio tou Palpatine, einai klassikh, kai apodeiknyei peritrana poso isxyrh einai h Skoteinh Plevra.

    H skhnh arxizei me tous Jedi na mpainoun sto grafeio tou nomimou eklegmenou kai egkekrimenou apo th Gerousia arxhgou tou kratous. Xwris entalma syllhpshs. Xwris eksousiodothsh apo th Gerousia, xwris kan na anaferoun to tolmhma tous se enan gerousiasth. Apla, me ton tsambouka. Ola, me vash thn katamartyrhsh enos, kai malista oxi tou pio "mentally stable" atomou, dhladh tou Anakin Skywalker.

    Ti lene oi pseftopalikarades Jedi? "In the name of the Senate". Siga, re magkes, pou thn eidate thn eksousiodothsh ths Gerousias. Einai sa na mpainei enas episkopos na syllavei ton proedro ths dhmokratias "sto onoma ths Voulhs". Trela pragmata dhladh.

    Oi Jedi anavoun ta fwtoksifh tous. Mpainoun dhladh tesseris sto grafeio sou, vgazoun ta opla kai lene pws tha se syllavoun, xwris kanena nomiko ereisma. Kai meta lene "The senate will decide your fate".

    "I AM THE SENATE" fysika. Einai o nomimos arxhgos, eklegmenos apo th Gerousia, kai me ektaktes armodiothtes pshfismenes apo th Gerousia. Den ekproswpoune oi Jedi th Gerousia.

    "It's treason then". Vevaiws. Paranomh energeia kata tou arxhgou tou kratous einai prodosia.

    Auto pou epakolou8ei einai resital tou Sidious. Prwta ap' ola ksemperdeuei se liga deuterolepta me trees Jedi kai meta asxoleitai me ton Mace. Fysika o Mace to gnwrizei kala pws monos tou den aksizei dekara anamesa se enan Sith Lord, opws exoun hdh apodeiksei ta pragmata:

    (PARENTHESI
    - O "Master" Qui-Gon thn skapoularei apo ton apprentice Darth Maul sto Tatooine
    - O "Master" Qui-Gon pa8ainei diamperes travma apo ton Darth Maul sto Naboo, kai stelnei ton padawan Obi-Wan na kremetai. Safws isxyroteros, an kai o Obi-Wan apodeiknyetai eksypnoteros, kai kerdizei me vash thn eksypnada.
    - O Darth Tyranus dialyei dyo Jedi sto Geonosis, oi opoioi swzontai mono otan emfanizetai o spoudaioteros Jedi tou galaxia
    - Oi Jedi Kenobi kai Skywalker pane MAZI na antimetwpisoun ton Darth Tyranus, giati safws anagnwrizoun pws monoi tous tha ginoun skonh. O Palpatine tous proeidopoiei "He is a Sith Lord". O Kenobi thewrei tous Sith Lords ws eidikothta tou, alla sto telos xanei pali apo ton Tyranus. Typikes pseftopalikaries twn Jedi. Telika, o Skywalker ton nikaei xrhsimopoiwntas th Skoteinh Pleura
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    Gi'auto allwste phge me treis allous, giati gnwrizei ti paei na pei "Sith Lord". Epomenws o Mace den exei kamia elpida apenanti ston Sidious. Fysika o Sidious kserei thn areth ths YPOMONHS. Mporei na katharisei ton Mace oti wra thelei, alla autos den einai o skopos tou. O skopos tou einai na apokthsei enan kainourio mathiti. Gi'auto, synexizei th maxh ews otou emfanistei o Skywalker, kai meta prospeihtai pws xanei.

    O Sidious einai kai paneksypnos kai panisxyros. Exei oles tis aretes. [Oi Jedi antithetws einai synhthws eite adynatoi alla eksypnoi (Kenobi) eite dynatoi alla xazoi (Skywalker) eite sofoi alla adynatoi (Jinn). Mono o Yoda sygkentrwnei polles aretes, alla gia ton Yoda tha ta poume se allh eukaria.] Ekeinh th stigmh, o Sidious gnwrizei pws o monos tropos na prosxwrhsei o Skywalker sth Skoteinh Pleura einai na vrethei antimetwpos me ena dilhmma.

    Ti einai auto pou pothei o Skywalker? Dynamh "to stop people from dying", opws leei sto AOTC, kai na swsei thn Padme, opws leei sto ROTS. Poios einai h monadikh tou elpida gia na tis apokthsei? O Palpatine. Poiow kindyneuei na pethanei? O Palpatine? O Sidious exei psyxologhsei teleia ton dynato alla xazo Skywalker, kai gnwrizei pws h apofash tou einai monodromos. Etsi loipon mpainei se phenomeniko kindyno, giati skopos tou einai na ton metastrepsei. O Skywalker fysika tsimpaei, kai tote vlepoume "the full power of the Dark Side" na stelnei ton Mace miso xiliometro eksw apo to parathiro. POWER UNLIMITED POWER.

    Prohgoumenws o Skywalker leei "He must stand trial". Gnwrizoume pws auto einai tmhma tou Jedi way, giati to anaferei otan skotwnei ton Dooku. Dhladh, o Windu parakamptei tous kanones otan ton volevei, kati pou kanoun oi Jedi kai argotera oi Epanas
  6. gianakin Jedi Knight

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    But still, itane se afto to plaisio. Eniwse na plisiazei o Anakin kai eipe: "Okay, wra na kanoume ton animboro gerako, katse na min me dei me fwtoksifos, chwris tha fainomai poly pio adynamos...".

    Anyway,de tha simfoniso,alla ti na kanoume,c'est la vie.


    Kala, ase pou to echei grammeno to L.o.t.R. o Theios, giati afto ein' alli ypothesi... wink Apla apokleietai na tou eipe o Theios: "Pes tin ataka youvetsi...". To poly na tou eipe: "Na eisai ypervolikos". Kai to syndew ksekathara me to meraki stous rolous, giati itan schediasmeno down to the last detail na paizei etsi o Mac, kai itan ypervolikos kata tin diarkeia olokliris tis skinis {mono tin grimatsa pou kanei prin paei na karwfwsei ton Mace sto Wind[ow]u des.

    De diafono oti ton exei grammeno,alla itan poli kapos.Ti meraki ti Kanaki,den egine k tpt to spoudaio,apla den mou aresei.No big deal.Milame gia 3 defterolepta se 14ori tainia.Sta @@ mou,apla sxoliazo.


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    Epitelous o Samuel Jackson exei tin eykairia na einai o eaytos tou! Hmouna panta antithetos i mallon adiaforos me tin epilogi tou gia ton Mace (ena Morgan Freeman tha itane... shock ) alla gia tetoies skines kai atakes, einai foberos!

    Nai,einai o Bad Dog Windu!Den tou paei to wise look,gi'afto mou fainotan kapos sta alla 2 Epeisodia.Alla an prepei na sigkrino mavrous(ti koloratsistis pou eimai!),o Mace>>>>>Lando.



    Twra polloi mporei na aporisoun, alla den exw kanena problima me ton Palaptine na polema me to saber! Polloi bashers lene oti isxyroi Sith i Jedi san tous Palpy/Yoda prepei na polemane mono me tin Dynami, ontas pleon "kyriarxoi" tis. OXI! Akoma kai o pio isxyros Sith katexei tin texni tou lightsaber, kai mono apo arrogance isws na to afisei kapoios. O Palpy den exei saber sto ROTJ giati den goustarei. Exei epityxei tin oloklirwtiki niki apenanti stous Jedi kai exei ton Vader gia na katharizei oti stathei empodio. Gia na ekplagei akoma pio poly o gianakin, den to thewrw contradiction otan leei - sto EpVI - "Ah, the weapon of a Jedi" kai deixnei to lightsaber. Einai o Master tis Dark Side, dialekse gia oplo tou to lightning kai opoios thelei as tolmisei na tou paei kontra!

    Evge k simfono apolita.Se ola osa eipes.OLOI xreiazetai na leorsoun ta xeria tous kapoia stigmi,allios xanetai ligo to endiaferon...


    Loipon, pali arketoi exoun problima me ton tropo pou skotwnontai oi alloi 3 Jedi plyn tou Mace. O Palpatine trabietai pros ta pisw, sprwxnei arga to spathi tou ston Agen Kollar, gyrnaei me oli tin anesi tou, skotwnei me peripou idio tropo ton Saesee Tiin kai o Kit Fisto "peftei" meta apo 3 OLOKLHRA desyterolepta! Entaksei, den einai kai oti pio aristotexniko skinothetika, alla douleyei? Otan i Uma Thurman skotwnei 50 gangsters sto Kill Bill i paliotera o Bruce Lee ta ebaze me posous taytoxrona? Oloi den eipame kapote se tainies, "giati oi kakoi den pyrobolane i na ormanisoune oloi mazi?" Etsi kai edw. Entaksei, ligo kalytero montaz na boithouse alla kai etsi kala einai.

    Sou leo,me eixe ksenisei apistefta i skini.Alla profanos itan teleios theatriko to olo thema(ksero,olo to epanalamvano),eilikrina nomizo oti o Theios edo to afise to montaz etsi pitides.Na deiksei k kathara pos skotonontai(opos eipes k si),allios tha itan mia tholoura k vgazei k kati apo Aggliki Skini Theatrou.Evge!

    Den perimena treles swmatikes kiniseis apo ton Palpy, kai ena flip pou kanei ston aera, atairiasto mou fanike, alla oi kiniseis tou me to saber tairiazoun poly ston...xaraktira tou: San ena fidi pou amynetai kai epitithetai, bgazei apokosmous, mi anthrwpinous ixous kai i ekfrasi tou einai ena meigma idonis, misous, trelas kai aidias! Ti na skefotane arage o Mace blepontas ton na kanei etsi...

    "Na s'eixa sto krevati mou,mana mou...!" Oxi plaka kano,sigoura o Mace itan se fasi "tin p**tsisame tora".Kai,simfono apolita me ton xaraktirismo gia tis kiniseis.



    Opws me prolabe o Azriel, oi kiniseis tou exoun arketi apo tin xari twn antisoixwn tou Dooku
  7. Obi-Kris_Kenobi Jedi Knight

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    Sep 13, 2002
    star 3
    Oso gia to teleftaio sxolio...Rantevou se kammia 5-7etia!

    Apo to stoma sou kai stou...Peter Jackson to ayti!:p


    Klassiki kinisi Agglikou thetarou kai,akrivos,tainio Robin Hood k peiraton se epoxi Erol Flynn!To latrepsa afto to sirsimo!

    Poso gnestis tou Agglikou theatrou eisai? Rwtaw apla giati spoudazw panw se ayto stin sxoli mou. Xairomai pou symfwnoune, akomi kai i mousiki poi akougetai tairiazei me tis kiniseis tou McDiarmid!


    Paratiriste twra pws allazei pali o Palpty tin ekfrasi tou kai gemizei me dithen fobo kai dileia tin fwni tou:

    Nai re c,san fafoutis akougetai,theos!


    Magkes, kalispera! Einai to Kafeneio twn Sith, me ton Palpatine Georgiou. Magkes, kseretai ti exw katalabei telika? Exoume to pio athlio prwtathlima ston Galaxia. Deite ti ginetai ston Malastare, ston Kashyyyk, ston Alderaan. Ekei na deite duels pou ginontai! Mexri kai o Hoth exei kalytero prwtathlima re seis! "Hmarton!" pou elege kai o makaritis o Plagueis! Re seis, kserete ti pisteyw? Kai na to thymaste ayto, Palpatine speaking: Oi Jedi theloun ton elegxo tou Galaxia! Opws sas to lew kai t'akoute, eksw apo ta dontia!

    :p[face_laugh]



    Kala tha itan,alla i skini stin Opera me kalipse teleios.

    Exeis dikio, ennoousa apo dw kai pera, mias kai i katastasi allakse.


    Giati re,ti se peirakse?Den me xalage na do maxi mesa ston Nao,alla etsi i skini egine pio sigkinitiki k simvoliki.An eixame maxi Anakin/Masters,tha eixame pali cool kiniseis pou kat'eme tha xalagan to olo ifos tis skinis.

    Einai ki ayto mia apopsi. Etsi opws einai to "Order 66", ontws mporei na min douleye, alla poios den tha ithele na dei ton Anakin san ton Axillea sto Troy, mia polemiki mixani diladi?


    Poios eipe gia ton Burttcher os sound FX-a?San editor ego ton vrizo_Oso gia tis fones,den tha mporousa na to theso kalitera.Evge!

    Se eyxasristw. Gia ton Burtt kai ta sound FX, ennoou kotsanes typou "fwnes twn droids".


    4. O Obi pyrobolei ton Grievous = O Indiana Jones pyrobolei ekeinon ton typo me tis xatzares!

    Simfono me ola ektos apo to teleftaio.Kammia sxesi me Indy,oute se ifos,oute se humor,oute san skini.K prostheto to periergo perpatima tou mixanikou Vader otan spa to xeirourgiko tou trapezi k to NOOOOO tou=Frankenstein.


    Gia to 4, entaksei einai entelws diaforetiko alla den mporeis na peis oti den thymizei stw kai ligo ti sygkekrimeni skini apo to Indy? Kala, pws mporesa na ksexasw to tribute ston Frankestein!? :oops:


    Tora pou postaro ipotithetai oti diavazo,opote den mporo na to do epitopou,alla otan to do tha sou po.To effect einai idio omos:Den mou arese.Katarxas esi milas gia ti foni i gia tin metavatiki tou mapa?

    Gia tin metavatiki mapa kai to "zarwma" pou kanei to proswpo tou. Einai pithanotata to idio effe, xrisimopoiimeno alliws. Kai egw ypotithetai oti diabazw (grafw Triti-Tetarti, tromara mou!) alla gia na eimai edw kai na kanw post, katalabainete...


    KIRIOS afto ipirxe,alla pros to paron,akoloutho ta fainomena...Otan ftasoume sti skini ston Mustafar tha to thikso eis vathos ametrito,not to worry!

    Na to thymitheis na to grapseis, OK? E, ma, oli tin wra ola ginontai gia tin Padme? To quest for more power tou Anakin itan kai EINAI ekei. "Vader was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force" - Obi-Wan sto ANH.
  8. Starkeiller Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Dec 5, 2004
    star 4
    To patriwtaki sou? Apo Skwtia grafeis, i yparchei Skwtseziko aima sto aima sou? Sobara se rwtaw.


    Koita, i pio epikratis thewria leei oti genithika kata lathos stin Ellada. Alles ypostirizoun pws kyla Skwtseziko aima stis fleves mou. Oi kakendrechis lene oti echw psychwsi paidiothen. ;) :cool:

    Vasika to makiyaz tou Sid sto Ep. 6 kathe allo para athlio einai, ti les twra Starkeiller?


    Re anthrwpe mou eisai trellooooooooooooooos? :eek: 8-} ;) :p Gia vale ligo to R.o.t.J. D.V.D. sou... Des otan vgainei apo to Lambda shuttle, stin prwti tou emfanisi, pou einai g@ma@tos, par'ola afta kai me kanei na anatrichiazw, anditheta me tis eisodous tou Vader pou einai apla KEWL. Des to stravokollimeno naylon sto sagoni tou... ELEOS!!! [face_sick] Kai meta sto telos pou xechasan na enwsoun ta frydia me to derma... [face_shame_on_you]
  9. Urkanoid Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 6, 2005
    star 4
    DarthSyphus

    - O "Master" Qui-Gon thn skapoularei apo ton apprentice Darth Maul sto Tatooine
    - O "Master" Qui-Gon pa8ainei diamperes travma apo ton Darth Maul sto Naboo, kai stelnei ton padawan Obi-Wan na kremetai. Safws isxyroteros, an kai o Obi-Wan apodeiknyetai eksypnoteros, kai kerdizei me vash thn eksypnada.
    - O Darth Tyranus dialyei dyo Jedi sto Geonosis, oi opoioi swzontai mono otan emfanizetai o spoudaioteros Jedi tou galaxia
    - Oi Jedi Kenobi kai Skywalker pane MAZI na antimetwpisoun ton Darth Tyranus, giati safws anagnwrizoun pws monoi tous tha ginoun skonh. O Palpatine tous proeidopoiei "He is a Sith Lord". O Kenobi thewrei tous Sith Lords ws eidikothta tou, alla sto telos xanei pali apo ton Tyranus. Typikes pseftopalikaries twn Jedi. Telika, o Skywalker ton nikaei xrhsimopoiwntas th Skoteinh Pleura


    Ehm, dude, do you still think after watching the entire saga that the key is power?Who gives a flying **** about the Sith being stronger than the Jedi?That's not the point!H ousia einai h mataiotita i opoia brisketai pisw apo tin anekselengkti epithimia gia isxi, eite auti einai stratiotiki, politiki, fisiki, what-the****-ever!I epithimia gia elegxo einai endexomenws i megaluteri plani pou exei dhmiourgisei to anthrwpino mualo.Se ena xaotiko sumpan i ennoia tou elegxou DEN IFISTATAI!Autoi pou telwspantwn den to antilambanontai auto, tautizoun ton elegxo me tin apoktisi dinamis.Kathe fora pou kapoios tupos prospathei na auksisei tin dinami tou, ton arithmo dld twn pragmatwn pou mporei na elegksei, prokiptei kapoiou eidous tragwdia.Does this ring any bells?To ROTS einai akribws auto to pragma.Den einai to epeisodio pou o Vader foraei ti maska, einai auto pou ti bgazei.Den einai pleon autos o "I'm bad 'cause I like it" tupos.Einai mia klasiki tragiki figoura, to aksiothrinito apomeinari tis katastrofis pou autos purodotise.Einai adianoito meta kai to Eppy III, na akouw/diabazw tetoia logidria gia tin uperoxi twn Sith.Stin teliki den ton xalase to m#%$&a ton Palpatine pou ton petakse o Anakin mes sto diastimiko kampine tou Death Star II, ton xalase?
  10. Obi-Kris_Kenobi Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Sep 13, 2002
    star 3
    Gia na paiksw ton dikigoro tou Sidious, sto ROTJ i fatsa tou exei paramorfwthei teleiws. Poios kserei ti ginetai katw apo to derma tou... Oli i mapa tou einai kalymmeni me kati, to naylon pou les egw to blepw san xalaro derma. It works.

    Kai meta sto telos pou xechasan na enwsoun ta frydia me to derma...

    E? To exw dei apeires fores alla den yparxei tetoio pragma! :confused:
  11. gianakin Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Nov 29, 2004
    star 3
    As pame tin kouventa sto PT vs OT kalitera...Starkeiller,sou exo apantisi ekei!
  12. Master-Mythos Jedi Knight

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    Jun 2, 2005
    Exactly, opos lei o gianakin mpaini o Mace kai 3 MASTERS. Giati sto kalo tous sfazi san ta kounelia? To sizitagame me ton Azriel kai eixe pi oti kani Surprise Attack alla den steki. Tin stigmi pou orma o Palps ston proto, o 2os exi sikosi idi to saber tou kai poli apla meta kathete kai tin troi. Katalaveno oti theli na gini highlighted oti o Sidious den astievete. Mipos eprepe kanas CGI Sidious na tous katharisi me kana koulo trik na ksemperdevume?? Diladi an itan tiptoe Padawans i aploi Jedi, o Palps tha eklane (me to simpathio) kai tha ginodusan astriki skoni??

    o Mace me pliri epignosi tis skouras katastasis tou

    Den to aisthanthika etsi. He?s the Head Of The Jedi Order, isn?t he? Mu fanike aksioprepestatos kai poli able.


    O Mace einai dinatos k apokrouei ton keravno

    Dinatos i experienced oste na xrisimopioisi to saber tou. Wise?..



    Edo o Mace einai sigouros oti kerdise k paei na ton skotosei.Mpa?Mipos epese stin loumpa tis Dark Side thinking?Isos.O Anakin leei "He must stand trial" k sto antepixeirima "He controls the Senate,the courts ktl,he's too dangerous to be kept alive!"

    Edo mperdeuomai ligo?oi Jedi prospathoun na skotosoun tous Sith, I na tous feroun sti dikaiosini?
    Isos o Mace kani tin sosti epilogi?.tha ton katigoruse kanis oti den ine dimokratiko na skotosi enan Sith Lord kai malista ton sigkekrimeno pou exi skorpisi fovo, thanato kai ataksia ston galaksia?? ( Nai, o Anakin, giati ton simferi!!)




    O Anakin tin ekane ti ladia tou.Anavei to saber tou k kovei to xeri tou Mace ston aera,afinontas ton na ponaei,oxi apo tin pligi,dioti enas Jedi diametrimatos Mace den tha ponage toso(eidika afou otan o Anakin sto Ep2 exase olokliro xeri apo to mpratso k ekane ena aplo "ungh"),alla apo tin prodosia tou Chosen One


    Akugete kalo alla den nomizo oti o Mace skeftete tetia ekini tin ora. An den kano lathos, o Anakin sto AOTC xani tis aisthisis tou eno o Mace oxi. Tha mou pis, ine kai o Dooku pou den ourliazi alla leme?..


    ?What have I done?"

    Poli theiko akougete. Ixa pathi tin plaka mou sto tv spot. Mipos omos na to xrisimopiusan kapou alou?? P.x me Padme sto telos??



    .Epaikse poli kala,pethane oraia kai epaikse ton simvoliko rolo,pou sinopsizei tin parakmi k alazoneia


    Giati parikmasmenos kai alazonas??



    I skini pou o Sid xanei to spathi tou mou fainetai kanoniki.Eksigoumai:Nai,simfono oti o Sid epaize theatro gia na peisei ton Anakin,alla sigkekrimena otan exase to spathi tou,mou fainetai oti itan alithino gegonos


    Exo akusi auta pou legodai oti o Palps paizi me ton Mace kai perimeni ton Anakin alla den to polipistevo giati oi attacks tou Palps fainodai kanonikotates kai lethal. Epita den exi kana tapino mathitudi mprosta tou alla ton arxigo. Telos, den fadazomai oti sto telos kani ton kerauno, kserodas oti o Mace tha ton apokrusi kai epistrepsi, tha tou strapatsari tin mapa, mono kai mono gia na dosi ston Anakin tin eukairia na ton sosi.
  13. Starkeiller Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Dec 5, 2004
    star 4
    ^ O Mace symvolizei tin parakmi twn Jedi, tin analgitikotita kai tis efkoles lyseis stis opoies echoun peripesei --kai tin needless bad-ass-o-syni tous ;)--. Einai misguided, etoimoi na pesoun stin louba tis eksousias... O Qui-Gon, o Yoda kai o Obi-Wan symvolizoun tin akmi twn Jedi.
    Kai o Palpy paizei theatro pandou, fainetai ksekathara mono kai mono sto: "Aaaaaaaaaachch!" oloklirwsis kai ton tropo pou sikwnetai. Itan olo theatraki, kathws kai i machi, me ta geloia chtipimata kai tis grimatses, gia na ektokseftei i libido tou Palpy. ;) [face_laugh]
  14. DarthSyphus Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 26, 2005
    star 1
    H ousia einai h mataiotita i opoia brisketai pisw apo tin anekselengkti epithimia gia isxi, eite auti einai stratiotiki, politiki, fisiki, what-the****-ever!

    Darth Sidious: "The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power."
    Obi-Wan: "I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"

    OLOI aneksairetws sto Star Wars saga anazhtoun thn isxy gia ton eauto tous kai thn epikrathsh enantion twn antipalwn tous. Auto isxyei kai gia tous Jedi kai gia tous Sith, kai gia tous autokratorikous kai gia tous epanastates. Akoma kai h metastrofh tou Darth Vader ginetai me mia praksh vias.
  15. DarthSyphus Jedi Master

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    May 26, 2005
    star 1
    Epita den exi kana tapino mathitudi mprosta tou alla ton arxigo. Telos, den fadazomai oti sto telos kani ton kerauno, kserodas oti o Mace tha ton apokrusi kai epistrepsi, tha tou strapatsari tin mapa, mono kai mono gia na dosi ston Anakin tin eukairia na ton sosi.

    Safws kai to kanei gia na metastrepsei ton Anakin. O Anakin prepei na dei ton Palpatine sto metaixmio tou thanatou, adynato, nikhmeno na iketeuei gia th zwh tou. Tote mono tha vrethei antimetwpos mprosta sto dilhmma: symmaxw mazi tou h pe8ainei kai xanw to mystiko gia panta. Oso zei o Palpatine, o Anakin exei elpida pws mporei na tou apospasei to mystiko me kapoio tropo. Mono otan kindyneuei na pe8anei erxetai h apelpisia ston Anakin, o opoios proxwrei sthn monadikh epilogh pou tou apomenei me vash ton adynato xarakthra tou.
  16. DarthSyphus Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 26, 2005
    star 1
    O Mace symvolizei tin parakmi twn Jedi, tin analgitikotita kai tis efkoles lyseis stis opoies echoun peripesei --kai tin needless bad-ass-o-syni tous wink --. Einai misguided, etoimoi na pesoun stin louba tis eksousias... O Qui-Gon, o Yoda kai o Obi-Wan symvolizoun tin akmi twn Jedi.

    O Yoda den feretai ka8olou diaforetika apo ton Mace. Opws kai o Mace, molis ma8ainei thn tautothta tou Sidious phgainei na ton skotwsei kai stelnei ton Obi-Wan na skotwsei ton Vader.
  17. Starkeiller Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    Dec 5, 2004
    star 4
    ^ Milaw gia ton meta-Ep. III Yoda, meta pou evale myalo. :cool:
  18. gianakin Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Nov 29, 2004
    star 3
    Exactly, opos lei o gianakin mpaini o Mace kai 3 MASTERS. Giati sto kalo tous sfazi san ta kounelia? To sizitagame me ton Azriel kai eixe pi oti kani Surprise Attack alla den steki. Tin stigmi pou orma o Palps ston proto, o 2os exi sikosi idi to saber tou kai poli apla meta kathete kai tin troi. Katalaveno oti theli na gini highlighted oti o Sidious den astievete. Mipos eprepe kanas CGI Sidious na tous katharisi me kana koulo trik na ksemperdevume?? Diladi an itan tiptoe Padawans i aploi Jedi, o Palps tha eklane (me to simpathio) kai tha ginodusan astriki skoni??

    More ksereis ti?Nomizo oti tha itan ligo para poli grigoro an ginotan se kanoniki taxitita...Kalitera pou "argise".


    Den to aisthanthika etsi. He’s the Head Of The Jedi Order, isn’t he? Mu fanike aksioprepestatos kai poli able.

    Fisika,gi'afto itan able,epeidi eixe epignosi tis katastasis tou,pou omlogoumenos itan skoura.


    Dinatos i experienced oste na xrisimopioisi to saber tou. Wise…

    Indeed!



    Edo mperdeuomai ligo…oi Jedi prospathoun na skotosoun tous Sith, I na tous feroun sti dikaiosini?
    Isos o Mace kani tin sosti epilogi….tha ton katigoruse kanis oti den ine dimokratiko na skotosi enan Sith Lord kai malista ton sigkekrimeno pou exi skorpisi fovo, thanato kai ataksia ston galaksia?? ( Nai, o Anakin, giati ton simferi!!)


    Vasika eide oti to na ton sillavei den arkouse,meta ton 1o keravno.Gia mena,kala ekane.O Anakin petakse tin ataka dioti ton xreiazotan,allios tha sou lega pou ton exei grammeno ton Kodika ton Jedi,xexe.


    Akugete kalo alla den nomizo oti o Mace skeftete tetia ekini tin ora. An den kano lathos, o Anakin sto AOTC xani tis aisthisis tou eno o Mace oxi. Tha mou pis, ine kai o Dooku pou den ourliazi alla leme…..

    O Anakin einai kanonikotata ksipnios,apla ligo xamenos.Eimai 100% sigouros gi'afto.Ase pou opos eipes einai k o Dooku.Gia ton Mace eipa gia prodosia tou Anakin klt,ola afta sinopsizontai sto mialo tou ekeini ti stigmi sto "What the ****,did Anakin do that?"



    Giati parikmasmenos kai alazonas??

    Dioti itan o pio proskollimenos ston Kodika ktl,teleios tipikos,katholou wise se arketa themata,kai afto fanike k sto Ep1("I don't think the Sith would have returned without us knowing it") kai Ep3(Oles oi atakes peri tou na paroun tin eksousia apo ton Palps ktl).


    Kai o Palpy paizei theatro pandou, fainetai ksekathara mono kai mono sto: "Aaaaaaaaaachch!" oloklirwsis kai ton tropo pou sikwnetai.

    Atixes epixeirima gia na peiseis oti OLO to ekane fake,logo aftis tis idonikis kravgis.


    OLOI aneksairetws sto Star Wars saga anazhtoun thn isxy gia ton eauto tous kai thn epikrathsh enantion twn antipalwn tous. Auto isxyei kai gia tous Jedi kai gia tous Sith, kai gia tous autokratorikous kai gia tous epanastates. Akoma kai h metastrofh tou Darth Vader ginetai me mia praksh vias.

    I metastrofi tou Vader egine otan eide ton Luke na ginetai psitos.META skotose ton Aftokratora.O Vader den egine Anakin ME ton fono.Episis,o Kenobi den eipe pote ti tha kanei otan ginei more powerful ktl...Fisika apodeixtike oti ti dinami pou apektise ti dioxetefse gia na kathodigisei ton Luke k na min ton kanei san ton mpampa tou,opote lipamai,alla to epixeirima sou de stekei katholou.Dld oi Ellines pou epanastatisan enantion ton Tourkon einai k aftoi se Quest for Power i se Quest for Freedom(asxeto ti egine AFOU apektisan eleftheria),dioti edo Ellines=Rebels k Tourkoi=Imperials.


    Safws kai to kanei gia na metastrepsei ton Anakin. O Anakin prepei na dei ton Palpatine sto metaixmio tou thanatou, adynato, nikhmeno na iketeuei gia th zwh tou. Tote mono tha vrethei antimetwpos mprosta sto dilhmma: symmaxw mazi tou h pe8ainei kai xanw to mystiko gia panta. Oso zei o Palpatine, o Anakin exei elpida pws mporei na tou apospasei to mystiko me kapoio tropo. Mono otan kindyneuei na pe8anei erxetai h apelpisia ston Anakin, o opoios proxwrei sthn monadikh epilogh pou tou apomenei me vash ton adynato xarakthra tou.


    O Yoda den fereta
  19. DarthSyphus Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 26, 2005
    star 1
    Milaw gia ton meta-Ep. III Yoda, meta pou evale myalo.

    Diafwnw. O Yoda safws thelei o Luke na skotwsei ton Vader. Auto apodeiknyetai peritrana apo thn akolou8h stixomyqia anamesa ston Luke kai ston Obi-Wan.

    LUKE: I can't kill my own father.
    BEN: Then the Emperor has already won. You were our only hope.

    Einai safes pws o Ben apogoitevetai apo to gegonos pws o Luke den mporei na skotwsei ton patera tou. Auto shmainei pws o Ben thelei o Luke na ton skotwsei. Epipleon, to gegonos pws o Ben leei OUR only hope, shmainei pws auth den einai h proswpikh apopsh tou Ben, alla to sxedio twn Jedi. Einai safes pws o Ben kai o Yoda theloun na katastrepsoun tous Sith, akrivws opws thelane sto Ep. III Afou autoi oi idioi apotyxane, phgainoun sthn eksoria mexri na megalwsoun ta paidia tou Skywalker. Gnwrizoun pws h agaph tou Kenobi den tou epetrepse na apoteleiwsei ton Vader otan eixe thn eukairia, gi' auto apokryvoun thn alh8eia apo ton Luke etsi wste na mhn plhgw8ei kai apokthsei amfivolies gia auto pou prepei na kanei.
  20. DarthSyphus Jedi Master

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    May 26, 2005
    star 1
    Episis,o Kenobi den eipe pote ti tha kanei otan ginei more powerful ktl...Fisika apodeixtike oti ti dinami pou apektise ti dioxetefse gia na kathodigisei ton Luke k na min ton kanei san ton mpampa tou,

    O Kenobi safws eipe psemata pws tha ginotan pio dynatos. Ola osa ekane ws Force Ghost tha mporouse kalista na ta kanei kai ws aplos an8rwpos.

    Dld oi Ellines pou epanastatisan enantion ton Tourkon einai k aftoi se Quest for Power i se Quest for Freedom(asxeto ti egine AFOU apektisan eleftheria),dioti edo Ellines=Rebels k Tourkoi=Imperials.

    Lanthasmenh paromoiwsh. Oi Tourkoi katekthsan thn byzantinh autokratoria me th via, enw o Palpatine egine autokratoras me nomimo tropo, me tis eulogies ths Gerousias.


    Nai,afou exoun skotothei oloi oi Jedi/adelfia tous.Alla ksexasa oti esi theoreis ontos tous Jedi praksikopimaties,signomi...

    Dhladh o Yoda thelei ekdikhsh gia to fono olwn twn Jedi/adelfiwn tous? Symfwnw apolyta. Opws proeipa, oi Jedi ferontai akrivws opws kai oi ex8roi tous. Opws sto Ep. I oi dyo Sith theloun na ka8arisoun tous Jedi pou tous exoun ypoxrewsei na kryvontai, etsi kai apo to Ep. III kai efekshs oi dyo Jedi theloun na ka8arisoun tous Sith pou tous exoun ypoxrewsei na kryvontai.
  21. Azriel Jedi Padawan

    Member Since:
    May 30, 2005
    Ta ipate OLA mages.STOP.OLA!!.STOP.Perimenw enagoniws to Order 66 tou Master.STOP.Take care all!!!.STOP.Epika AVE!!!.STOP.
  22. gianakin Jedi Knight

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    Nov 29, 2004
    star 3
    O Kenobi safws eipe psemata pws tha ginotan pio dynatos. Ola osa ekane ws Force Ghost tha mporouse kalista na ta kanei kai ws aplos an8rwpos.

    Kai pos to ksereis afto...?Ase pou me afto pou eipes anaireis to parapano sou post oti OLOI oi Jedi theloun prosopiki dinami.


    Lanthasmenh paromoiwsh. Oi Tourkoi katekthsan thn byzantinh autokratoria me th via, enw o Palpatine egine autokratoras me nomimo tropo, me tis eulogies ths Gerousias.

    Poli oraia,as to dexto an k i ousia mou emena einai allou,diavazeis oti theleis na diavaseis.I Ameriki pou mono aftokratoria den exei anakirixtei,me to Irak ti sou leei?Kai mi mou to pas oti einai mousoulmanoi k oti eixan ton Saddam pou itan ka**iki.Me ta dedomena tis eisvolis ktl,ti exeis na peis?(Ase pou o nomima eklegmenos Aftokratoras egine etsi logo mia dieftharmenis Gerousias)


    Dhladh o Yoda thelei ekdikhsh gia to fono olwn twn Jedi/adelfiwn tous? Symfwnw apolyta. Opws proeipa, oi Jedi ferontai akrivws opws kai oi ex8roi tous. Opws sto Ep. I oi dyo Sith theloun na ka8arisoun tous Jedi pou tous exoun ypoxrewsei na kryvontai, etsi kai apo to Ep. III kai efekshs oi dyo Jedi theloun na ka8arisoun tous Sith pou tous exoun ypoxrewsei na kryvontai.

    Fisika k den paei gia ekdikisi.Paei gia na skotosei ton Aftokratora kai na epanaferei tin Republic k tous Jedi pou gia kapoio logo itan epano gia xiliades genies,eno pote den eixame Aftokratoria,oute kan otan oi Sith itan olokliros stratos.Xm,anarotiemai giati...A,nai!Dioti oi Jedi k i Republic,oso k na ksepesan,oudepote ipirksan toso egklimaties k mazikoi dolofonoi oso oi Sith!

    Diafwnw. O Yoda safws thelei o Luke na skotwsei ton Vader. Auto apodeiknyetai peritrana apo thn akolou8h stixomyqia anamesa ston Luke kai ston Obi-Wan.

    K edo tha simfoniso apolita.Oi 2 Jedi pou ezisan ipepesan sto lathos na ekapidefsoun ton Luke san polemiki mixani enantion tou Vader,gi'afto k tou ekripsan tin alitheia.An deis omos pos akrivos to ekanan afto,tha katalaveis oti exoun akoma teraaaaaastio dromo oste na ferthoun opos oi Sith.K ekei einai k to noima tis Grey Plevras tis Dinamis(min akouso logopaignio apo kanenan!).Oti k oi 2 plevres tis einai mesa mas,to thema einai emeis pos tis xrisimopoioume!Otan skotoseis kapoion me misos einai Dark.Otan skotoseis kapoion en psixro einai Dark.Oi Jedi,pou einai Light,skotonoun se aftoamina.Panta?Oxi.Afto tous kanei Dark?En merei.Einai kalo afto?Fisika.Dioti an den nioseis k ta 2 den ksereis.Gi'afto oute o Yoda oute o Sid katektisan ta panta giro apo ti Dinami.Mono o Anakin alla kirios o Luke,pou ta geftikan k ta 2,apla o Anakin den prolave na ta sindiasei,eno o Luke nai(sta Ep7-8-9),gi'afto ekeinos tha ginei true master.Isos k o Qui-Gon.
    Alla afto den exei na leei tpt,gia to oti oi epizisantes Jedi ekpaidevan ton Luke na skotosei ton Vader.Safos den tous kanei Sith,k safos den anairei to gegonos oti o meta-Ep3 Yoda k Ben exoun allaksei k exoun mathei pio polla.O Sid ti emathe?Na vgazei mov keravno anti gia mple k na kanei to kolpo me tous klonous,an dexesai to EU.K gia poion?Gia tin parti tou.To edeikse ston Vader?Oxi.Oi Jedi de tha to ekanan afto,omos.
    (PS:Epeidi pali tha ksefigoume off-topic,an thes anoikse k edo neo thread na apantiseis.)
    Akolouthei Order 66,gents!
  23. DarthSyphus Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 26, 2005
    star 1
    Kai pos to ksereis afto...?Ase pou me afto pou eipes anaireis to parapano sou post oti OLOI oi Jedi theloun prosopiki dinami.

    Krinw ek twn pragmatwn. O Kenobi den kanei tipote ws Force Ghost to opoio den mporouse na kanei ws an8rwpos. Opws leei malista den mporei kan na epemvei. Fysika einai _dynato_ na apekthse kapoia dynamh, alla kamia tetoia dynamh den pistopoihtai apo tis tainies.

    Epishs den anairw auto pou eipa dioti eipa pws o Kenobi anazhta thn isxu, oxi pws thn apokta. Allo h pro8esh, allo to apotelesma.

    Poli oraia,as to dexto an k i ousia mou emena einai allou,diavazeis oti theleis na diavaseis.I Ameriki pou mono aftokratoria den exei anakirixtei,me to Irak ti sou leei?

    H Amerikh einai dhmokratia h opoia malista bgazei kai wraies tainies san ton Star Wars gia thn euxaristhsh mas. Twra to gegonos pws paranoma eisevalle sto Irak den exei kamia sxesh me ta gegonota tou SW giati auto afora th sxesh anamesa se dyo krath, enw sto SW yparxei ena kratos, h Republic pou metasxhmatizetai se Empire.

    Fisika k den paei gia ekdikisi.Paei gia na skotosei ton Aftokratora kai na epanaferei tin Republic k tous Jedi pou gia kapoio logo itan epano gia xiliades genies,eno pote den eixame Aftokratoria,oute kan otan oi Sith itan olokliros stratos.Xm,anarotiemai giati...A,nai!Dioti oi Jedi k i Republic,oso k na ksepesan,oudepote ipirksan toso egklimaties k mazikoi dolofonoi oso oi Sith!

    H Republic htan xrewkophmenh. H eukolia me thn opoia anevhke o Palpatine, h aphxhsh tou kinhmatos twn Separatists, h eukolia me thn opoia egine dekth h ekshghsh tou Autokratora gia to praksikophma twn Jedi, h eukolia me thn opoia ka8airethike o Kagkellarios Valorum kai do8hkan ektates eksousies ston Kagkellario Palpatine dhlwnoun safws thn katantia thw Republic, kai thn empistosynh twn eklegmenwn antiproswpwn sto proswpo tou Palpatine. H galaksiakh antipoliteush den bgazei axna otan o Palpatine idryei thn Autokratoria. Apla psithyrizei h Padme kati gia to thanato ths eleutherias. As shkw8ei na bgalei logo kai na antimetwpisei ton Palpatine, an mporei. As kata8esi protash momfhs kata tou Autokratora opws ekane sto Ep. I. To gegonos pws den kanei tipota dhlwnei safws pws o Autokratoras eixe thn eunoia twn gerousiastwn. Afou den mporoun loipon na ton ka8airesoun me ta fwtoksifh, afou den mporoun na ton ka8airesoun sth Gerousia, anagkazontai oi ex8roi tou na kanoun epanastash.

    YG: Den tha anaferthw sta ypoloipa gia tous Jedi kai tous Sith kai tis diafores tous, afou einai ektos 8ematos, epi tou parontos.
  24. DarthSyphus Jedi Master

    Member Since:
    May 26, 2005
    star 1
    H diatagh 66 apodeiknyei kai pali poso adynatoi htan oi Jedi. Oi Jedi eixan apokthsei tromerh aiglh ws prostates ths Dhmokratias epi xilies genies, kai gi' auto eixan epanapautei stis dafnes tous, kai eixan ginei aprosektoi. Gi' auto kai eksontwthikan para poly eukola, kai malista oi perissoteroi oxi apo Force users alla po aplous klwnous. Poioi swthikan? O Yoda, o isxuroteros Jedi, ston opoio entelws vlakwdws phgan mono dyo klwnoi, kai o Obi-Wan Kenobi o opoios htan tyxeros epeidh htan makria apo tous klwnous oi opoioi astoxhsan.

    Dikaiologhtai h diatagh 66? Safws kai nai. Opws leei ston Darth Vader, an oi Jedi mathoun ti synevike sto grafeio tou tha tous eksontwsoun. Einai zhthma epiviwshs: h oi Jedi tha epiviwsoun, h oi Sith. Oi Jedi edeiksan hdh pws den skopeuan na afhsoun ton Darth Sidious na zhsei. Epomenws entelws dikaiologhmena oi Sith prepei na eksontwsoun tous Jedi gia thn prostasia tous. H or8othta tou egxeirhmatos apodeiknyetai kai ek twn pragmatwn, afou to gegonos pws estw kai 2 Jedi epeviwsan ths diataghs 66 odhghse telika sthn katastrofh.

    H diatagh 66 einai to aristotexniko xtyphma tou Arxonta Sidious kata twn Jedi. Oi Sith einai pantote dyo, enw oi Jedi einai xiliades. Gia na nikh8oun prepei na xrhsimopoih8ei o polemikos mhxanismos pou dhmiourghse o Sidious ta prohgoumena xronia. Edw fainetai kai pali h anepanalhpth idiofyia tou andros. O Sidious thelei na katastrepsei tous Jedi. Xreiazetai oloklhro strato gia na to epityxei. Gia na apokthsei strato, prepei na anevei se 8esh eksousias (Ep. I) kai meta na peisei th Gerousia pws xreiazetai stratos gia thn antimetwpish enos ex8rou pou o idios endynamwse (Ep. II). Etsi loipon apokta to strato tou, kai ton xrhsimopoiei gia ton skopo pou ton proorize. O megistos manipulator oxi mono petyxainei ton arxiko skopo tou, alla kai entelws nomima, xwris na xasei thn empistosynh ths gerousias, kai se ligo anakhrysetai kai autokratoras kai katastrefei tous Separatists.

    H eksontwsh twn padawans sigoura ksenizei, alla h drash tou padawan pou petaxthke mporsta apo ton Bail Organa kai arxise na skotwnei tous klwnous apodeiknyei pws oi padawans, an kai mikroi kai apeiroi sigoura den einai akindynoi. Malista ekeinos o mikros padawan maxetai poly pio dynata apo tous megalous Jedi oi opoioi eksontwnetai poly pio eukola. Epomenws an kai h eksontwsh twn padawans fantazei ws egklhma, htan aparaithth gia thn diathrhsh ths asfaleias.
  25. gianakin Jedi Knight

    Member Since:
    Nov 29, 2004
    star 3
    H Amerikh einai dhmokratia h opoia malista bgazei kai wraies tainies san ton Star Wars gia thn euxaristhsh mas. Twra to gegonos pws paranoma eisevalle sto Irak den exei kamia sxesh me ta gegonota tou SW giati auto afora th sxesh anamesa se dyo krath, enw sto SW yparxei ena kratos, h Republic pou metasxhmatizetai se Empire.

    Proton,to Irak einai apoikia tis Amerikis pleon k min kolas sta xartia.Ta xartia to lene aneksartito kratos,i pragmatikotita leei alla.Ara to Irak einai ena kratos pou exei tirrania apo tin Ameriki k oi epanastates einai oi Irakinoi.Loipon?2on)Pes mou se parakalo oti den to ennoeis afto gia tin Ameriki.Pes mou oti en einai alithino epixeirima afto gia tis tainies.Se iketevo.


    H galaksiakh antipoliteush den bgazei axna otan o Palpatine idryei thn Autokratoria. Apla psithyrizei h Padme kati gia to thanato ths eleutherias. As shkw8ei na bgalei logo kai na antimetwpisei ton Palpatine, an mporei. As kata8esi protash momfhs kata tou Autokratora opws ekane sto Ep. I. To gegonos pws den kanei tipota dhlwnei safws pws o Autokratoras eixe thn eunoia twn gerousiastwn. Afou den mporoun loipon na ton ka8airesoun me ta fwtoksifh, afou den mporoun na ton ka8airesoun sth Gerousia, anagkazontai oi ex8roi tou na kanoun epanastash.

    Oxi,dilonei safos oti kseran oti otan exeis Aftokratoria,opos k sti diki mas xounta,an peis kati enantion tou kathestotos i tou Arxigou tou,se perimenei amesi ektelesi meta apo vasanistiria.Kai gi'afto sti Dimokratia ekanan oti ekanan ston Vallorum,alla oxi ston Palps pou itan enas tirranos.Itan pio xrisimi i antipolitefsi gia tin epitefksi tis eleftherias zontani,para nekri.

    Telos,review kaneis tora,i pas na peraseis tis apopseis sou?Eipame,perigrafoume skines k vazoume k sxolia,oxi leme ti pistevoume k ep'efkairia petame k kammia skini apo tin tainia mesa gia ksekarfoma.
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