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Saga To those who think the ST killed Star Wars, how do you cope?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by BoulderFaceplant, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. The_Phantom_Calamari

    The_Phantom_Calamari Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Nov 10, 2011
    Quoth the Rush:

    "All this machinery
    Making modern music
    Can still be open-hearted
    Not so coldly charted
    It's really just a question
    Of your honesty, yeah your honesty"

    Same applies to cinema.
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  2. Darth Bridge 167

    Darth Bridge 167 Jedi Youngling

    Nov 13, 2017
    Right now I need therapy after seeing TLJ because I honestly don't know what to think of the Saga now. [face_laugh]

    Here is my take on the SW Saga movies and my dilemma:

    -I love the OT

    -I like the PT

    -I enjoy the 1-6 story

    -I love TFA

    -I absolutely hate TLJ!!!!!

    So I have many options:

    -Walk away now from the ST and enjoy the 1-6, but it means I have to give up TFA (which I really enjoy).

    -Have a different take on the Saga and see it 1-7, where the end of the Saga is Luke/Rey and the galaxy goes on to the next generation......

    -Wait for Episode 9 and see if JJ can salvage the ST (maybe the theme of the Light/Dark that will sum up the 9 movies through Rey/Kylo Ren?)

    -Give Episode 8 another shot, and 'live with it' for the sake of enjoying the eventual 1-9 story if JJ can save it?

    Gets off couch and is ready for my next therapy session next week...... [face_laugh]
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  3. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Knight star 4

    Apr 10, 2017
    CGI isn't inherently great.

    Practical effects aren't inherently great.

    It's how you use the two to create a seamless world that's important.
  4. DrDre

    DrDre Jedi Master star 4

    Aug 6, 2015
    I'm not sure anything could kill Star Wars for me, since I don't believe Star Wars needs new films to be alive, but TLJ has definitely dampened my enthousiasm for future Star Wars films to an all time low. I simply cannot accept the ST's premise of undoing all of the classic character's personal growth,and achievements for the sake of retreading the Empire vs rebels scenario, whilst tossing many of the underlying themes Lucas built into his saga out of the window. On the plus side it's caused me to re-evaluate Lucas' prequels, and conclude that his six film saga contains the heart and soul of Star Wars.
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  5. BLemelisk

    BLemelisk Jedi Master star 4

    Aug 19, 2003
    I've started reading this "Thrawn Trilogy" everyone loves so much.
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  6. Bazinga'd

    Bazinga'd The Man / Also Known as Bazinga'd star 6 Staff Member Manager

    Nov 1, 2012
    You may fall in love with the storyline.
  7. grd4

    grd4 Jedi Master star 3

    Dec 11, 2013
    There's no "coping", needed.

    The mediocre third season of Star Trek: TOS (minus Roddenberry and Coon) didn't kill my love for the first two seasons.

    Modern Simpsons didn't kill my love for the Groening/Simon/Brooks classic era.

    The Mousehouse travesties haven't killed my love for Lucas's Saga.

    In the beginning, Anakin Skywalker and the galaxy fell into darkness; in the end, Luke and Leia Skywalker brought them back into the light. And they lived happily ever after.
  8. BLemelisk

    BLemelisk Jedi Master star 4

    Aug 19, 2003
    I've known the broad strokes of it for so long and I've put it off till now.

    So much great Legends material to fill the gap in. Not that I hate the ST, there just is something different about it, and I want that different take that the old EU provides.
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  9. Outsourced

    Outsourced Jedi Knight star 4

    Apr 10, 2017
    What are you, some kind of nerd?
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  10. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

    Jan 5, 2011
    The PT killed Star Wars. The ST just debased its corpse.
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  11. Hernalt

    Hernalt Jedi Grand Master star 4

    Jun 29, 2000
    I'll uptick my sci fi audio book habit. I'll still see Solo and Ep IX with the wife in a dinner theatre. I owe the ghost of SW that much even if I don't owe Disney two viewings of anything going forward.
  12. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

    Aug 8, 2016
    I take comfort in the fact I am not alone in my opinions of the ST. And I reminisce of what I loved about Star Wars. Not what it has become.
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  13. JediMasterSven

    JediMasterSven Jedi Knight star 2

    Apr 21, 2014
    Simple. I look at The Last Jedi as Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money. Just without the irony.

    Look at some of the things that have been complained about:

    General Hux is incompetent, just like Col. Sanders.

    Kylo Ren is kind of a weenie who doesn't need his mask and is obsessed with the heroine like Dark Helmet.

    Supreme Leader Snoke is just a creepy old guy like President Scroob.

    Poe seems like a parody of Han Solo or Captain Kirk like Lone Starr.

    The humor (Poe trolling Hux, Luke milking the sea cow, Luke chucking the saber) would not be out of place in a Mel brooks flick.

    Even some of the things fans and critics felt hamfisted (the Holdo and Poe story, Rose's monologue at Canto Bight) felt like a parody of when a sci-fi movie tries too hard to say something important, like say Avatar, and the audiences starts to check their watches.

    I could go on. But you see my point.
  14. Tosche_Station

    Tosche_Station Jedi Knight star 2

    Feb 9, 2015
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  15. Annikin Starkiller

    Annikin Starkiller Jedi Youngling

    Oct 20, 2017
    The other day i realized something terrible as a SW fan.

    I don care anymore. I have zero interest on whatever happens to Rey, Kylo, Finn or Poe. I remeber back in the day between AOTC and ROTS i was ethusiastic about ROTS, even when i alredy knew how it will end but i was so eager to see how Anakin became Darth Vader how the Jedi disapeared, etc.

    But in the ST i dont have any interest on the fate of the characters. I did not like TFA, but TLJ broke the saga for me. And one phrase of Poe represent perfectly why i dont care. The infamous "we are the spark" phrase of Poe restars basically the saga to ANH, again outnumbered Rebels fight against a Galactic Empire, nothing of whatever happened on the previous films matterd, all sacrifices, all the decisions just to go back to the start. So why i would care about the ST characters? I already cared for other characters and all what they did was useless acording to ST
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  16. TripleZero

    TripleZero Jedi Padawan star 1

    Oct 13, 2017
    TLJ broke the saga for me as well. As far as episode IX is concerned, I'm only really looking forward to Kylo Ren's arc. I can only imagine how an unstable nihilist is going to run the First Order.

    The only other think that can soften the blow is GOOD canon material durning the ST era. Bloodline was a great book, which does Leia more justice than TFA and TLJ combined. Also, the Poe Dameron comic series is the only currently good Star Wars comics at the moment. Much like Leia in Bloodline, he's just simply more well-written, and his adventures are more engaging compared to what he's given in the ST.
  17. Darth Invictus

    Darth Invictus Jedi Master star 4

    Aug 8, 2016
    I am curious as to how TLJ will hold up in the years and decades to come and how the ST will be viewed more generally.

    I suspect and I hope that the ST will receive its due criticism and scrutiny once the hype and novelty have worn off.

    As it is-I was never particularly enthusiastic about the ST and was devastated when the old eu was declared non canon-TLJ didn't change that it just confirmed an attitude I already had regarding the ST-one somewhere between hostility and indifference.

    Maybe the best way to sum up my feelings is a sort of disdainful disinterest or contemptuous dislike or something to that affect-I struggle to put my feelings in words-that's the best way I can approximate what I feel about these movies.

    My hope is that in the future people will look back at these movies and will say "they really weren't good and they were just dull soft reboots of the OT spiced up new CGI".

    The Legends Star Wars universe while defunct still holds my eternal love and interest so I haven't abandoned Star Wars.