PT TOP TEN Most Powerful Jedi/Sith on the PT According to me

Michael McKean · Nov 26, 2013

Ingram_I said: ↑

The degree of "power" to a number of these characters is, in many ways, momentary or conditional. Sidious, for example, might be the most powerful Sith Lord in the galaxy, able to influence and manipulate vast circumstances, and yet in order to rule said galaxy with an iron fist, he requires the strength of Anakin; his drive, heroics, indomitable passion and rawest, most primal connection with the Force. Anakin, I suspect, could possibly defeat Sedious or even Mace Windu in a flat-out saber duel by way of his overwhelming innate abilities, and yet he was ultimately bested by Obi-Wan (who, remember, fell twice to Dooku) because the latter seized a moment of weakness in the former's heated arrogance. Specifically, Obi-Wan is a kind of defense-oriented warrior by his very nature and intuition; in this case, relying on the aggression of Anakin for his own counterattack, whereas Sidious or Windu might have tried to fight fire with fire, so to speak. I think these conditional aspects can be examined to various ends regarding the main characters, while villains like Maul and Grevious are probably not going to rank very high on any level.

Personally, I'd argue that Qui-Gon deserves a higher ranking, if not numero uno, in fact. I base this not on his physical attributes or combat skills (though he is a serious whammer-jammer in a fight) or even his connection with the Force, necessarily, but his understanding of the Force. His overall philosophy. I mean, let's keep in mind, it's Qui-Gon who returns from the netherworld to train Yoda on such matters, who thus trains Obi-Wan, who eventually guides Luke. In general, Qui-Gon seemed to have things figured out long before any other Jedi.
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Well observed. An excellent swordsman and possessing even better insight. In extension you could argue that he was responsible for the Return of the Jedi because without his training to Yoda in ghost form, there would be no Jedi Luke. And remember that Count Dooku 'wished he were still alive'. Quite a subordinate statement from someone claiming to be more powerful than Yoda...

Rauno · Dec 25, 2013

Qui-Gon certainly knew his ****.

TheWatcher · Dec 29, 2013

Komodo9Joe said: ↑

Levels are better than numbers because, in the case of the most powerful Jedi/Sith, it's too hard to tell/can go either way. The ranking of the strongest Jedi/Sith go like this:

Level 10/The Chosen One level that only contains one member:
Anakin Skywalker: Anakin Skywalker is the most gifted and talented Jedi/Sith to have ever existed. Only he can surpass the greatest Force users in the galaxy. By the time of ROTS, Anakin is the strongest Jedi/Sith to have ever existed(he has become even stronger than Yoda, Mace, Sidious, and Dooku(his victory of the latter showed this). The Clone Wars were an excellent way for Anakin to fulfill his potential, and his strength continuously rose. When Anakin turns to the Dark Side(before suit) he has started to truly reach a point where he could become powerful enough to achieve every secret of the Force(including saving others from dying).

But as gifted as Anakin was during at this point, his mental state was not quite able to maximize it yet with Obi-Wan. Aside from being extremely familiar with each other's moves(which is the reason why Obi-Wan could stand against Anakin), Obi-Wan and Anakin had polarizing mindsets which decided the outcome. Obi-Wan was focused and determined, resolved to kill Anakin if he must. But Anakin was hasty and blinded by the fact that he knew he could kill Obi-Wan which led to overconfidence and ultimately a foolish mistake that cost him the duel, his body, and all his power. His loss is attributed to his shaky mental state at the time rather than his power, which was unrivaled by any other Jedi/Sith.

Level 9/The most powerful beings in the Galaxy(and this is basically the highest level as the one above is only privy to one):

Yoda: The eight hundred-something year old master is Grand Master of the Jedi Order for a reason.

Mace Windu: Mace Windu is an extremely talented Jedi; the likes of which are only seen every few centuries. He was blessed with extraordinary amounts of potential, the ability to see "shatterpoints," and is the only one to master a form he created, which is basically a Sith style, Vaapad. The style's focus on basically using the Dark Side is what made Mace so unique as he was the only one who was unable to be corrupted by using such a form.

Darth Sidious: You could argue to place him in a level slightly higher than 9, but he is undoubtedly at home in this level. Darth Sidious was the being that a thousand years of Sith had waited for. He was the one born with the abnormally high amounts of potential who could bring the 'revenge of the sith' to fruition. He is the most powerful Sith Lord in all the history of the Sith; his powers with the Force and the lightsaber are also combined with a genius intellect and cunning. After all, George Lucas basically stated that Darth Sidious is an allegory for the devil and all the darkness in the universe which is what he feeds and thrives upon.

Count Dooku: What I hate about this is how the Count is always overlooked/underrated(I attribute this to people not finding him as 'cool' or 'appealing' as other characters) but he is undeniably in this level. Count Dooku is an immensely powerful being, both physically and mentally, who was initially thought to be the Chosen One and is often referred as the greatest in the galaxy, only matched with Yoda and Mace. Don't be fooled by Dooku being Sidious' apprentice; naturally, Dooku did not initially know much about the Dark Side so Sidious obviously had to teach him, i.e make him his apprentice. In most of Dooku's conversations with Sidious in the EU, Dooku talks to Sidious as more of a man who(he thinks) has mutual interests with him rather than as a master/apprentice, i.e superior/inferior complex. Attack of the Clones further shows that he can match blades with Yoda(although Dooku had to end the duel prematurely, knowing reinforcements would arrive.) Only a man with Dooku's strength and charisma could have successfully launched a secessionist movement and a war and actually survive: For all public intents and purpose, he is the leader of the Separatist movement. I actually have a feeling that had Dooku's goals played out, he would have ultimately turned on Sidious which would have been really something to watch.

These four beings in this level are the undisputed strongest beings in the galaxy and the Star Wars prequel universe continuously supports it.

Level 8: Extremely skilled Jedi/Sith

From here on down, there is far less to go on but here is a few who I would definitely put on this list.

Obi-Wan Kenobi(ROTS)
Kit Fisto
Agen Kolar
Darth Maul
Ki-Adi-Mundi

I'm not going to go farther than this but what I have stated so far is repeatedly backed up by the events in the films and the EU.
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I completely agree. This is how characters' powers should be classified.

IIA_MasterSHenson · Dec 30, 2013

Hm....I would definitely put Qui-Gon higher, though not top 5 if we are considering Mace, Yoda, Anakin, Obi, and Sidious. As he was beat by Maul, I would have to say that he can't be top 6 either and if Dooku could have succeeded where Maul didn't (beating Obi), Dooku should be considered above QuiGon and QuiGon is sadly falling out of top 7 as well. I would consider Grievous if we were considering this with Clone Wars added. If we aren't, I would x him or put him further down simply because of the fact that he never actually bested anyone then and all we have is his lightsabers as proof that he is a formidable opponent (he is but not top 6). If we're speaking more on lightsaber technique, Mace trumps Yoda yet Yoda trumps Mace in force power so it is hard to say. Also, Plo Koon should be added as well I think.
My list would be more this:
1) Palp/Sidious
2) Mace Windu
3) Yoda
4) Anakin Skywalker
5) Count Dooku
6) Obi Wan Kenobi
7) Darth Maul
8) Qui Gon Jin
9) Plo Koon
10) Grievous

MOC Vober Dand · Dec 31, 2013

Good in a Fight

1. Sidious, Yoda, Mace
4. Anakin, Obiwan, Dooku

Knowledge of the Force

1. Qui Gon
2. Yoda, Sidious
4. Mace, Obiwan

TheWatcher · Dec 31, 2013

If I were to do a standard list:

1) Anakin Skywalker
2) Palpatine/Darth Sidious
3) Yoda
4) Dooku/ Darth Tyranus
5) Mace Windu
6)Qui-Gon Jinn
7) Obi-Wan Kenobi
8) Darth Maul
9) Ki-Adi Mundi

Thats using PT films only. It changes a bit with eu

Hobyoda42 · Jan 6, 2014

@Allesandro- You are aware that Yoda's midi-chlorian count is over 4 million?

SithStarSlayer · Jan 6, 2014

4 MILLION?

Big jump, from 20,000.

TheWatcher · Jan 6, 2014

Jejeje maybe Anakin's was over 20,000 Million fifillion jillion....yen.

Master Shinobi · Jan 10, 2014

Keep in mind the question asked was who the most POWERFUL Jedi/Sith were:

1. Mace Windu
2. Yoda
3. Anakin/Vader
4. Palpatine
5. Dooku
6. Qui-Gon Jinn
7. Obi-Wan Kenobi
8. Darth Maul

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