[ToS Clarification] ROTS Forum - Social Thread

Discussion in 'Communications' started by Kavic_Toth, Jun 24, 2005.

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  1. YTMND Jedi Youngling

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    Nov 22, 2004
    star 5
  2. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Jun 18, 2004
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    It's a bird that talks, but that's not important right now.
  3. Quixotic-Sith Manager Emeritus

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    Jun 22, 2001
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    81-

    You refered to the parrot obliquely at 9:14, I mention it explicitly at 9:27. Regardless, that's neither here nor there.

    And please don't hyperbolize about my having suspicions; I have no intention of telling you what groceries you should buy. I think, however, that I'm well within my rights to guess about your motives here. You've basically stated that you want to get some form of vengeance for the banning of another member. That suggests that this is less about sticking up for the underdog and more about promoting borderline posting. That you seem to be enjoying this, while making less than veiled efforts at insults (the starred comments, the trucker comment), the blatant effort to get edited or banned for your posts - again, these all suggest that you want to see what you can get away with while staying within the TOS. As I said, I could be entirely mistaken about your intentions; I just don't think that I am because of how you've behaved here and elsewhere. Again, immaterial.

    The mods made a call you disagree with another user. Fine, opinion noted. The mods made a call you disagree with in ROTS. Again, fine, opinion noted. Anything more to add that we haven't heard? Any other allusions to fascism or Nazi Germany?

    EDITS: clarity
  4. Darth_Ignant Jedi Youngling

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    Oct 24, 2001
    star 7
    Question. If * is now baned, and the letter f is baned, how whould I post wt(you know what)?
  5. hitmbig Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Oct 6, 2004
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    Let me hop in on this as I was one of the users banned. I was banned for a pretty weak reason. Do I care that I was banned, not at all. I have made that very clear to Sinister. Starring swears out is allowable and in no way was I flaming anyone last night. Even if a MOD does not like the starring out of swears, tough, it is allowable in the context of how I was doing it.

    If it is such a big deal, change the TOS.
  6. MariahJSkywalker Poopoo Head

    Member Since:
    Mar 11, 2005
    star 6
    If a user is flaming another poster with starred out banned words, that shouldn't be tolerated. But if thay are using starred out banned words in a different context(Example:The duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan was ******* awesome), then it shouldn't be a problem.
  7. darth-sinister Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Jun 28, 2001
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    hitmbag was banned for not doing as I asked/told, which was to stop with the excessive star swearing. Another user was banned for flaming 3P0, but using the stars to hide behind and thus trying to cricumvent the system.
  8. LadyWhilla Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 6, 2002
    star 4
    Listen, this doens't affect me in relation to how I post. I don't swear on here nor do I post the type of gifs/images in question. But...I think these new rules should have been introduced officially because there really was no definitive explanation given to those who typically post in this uh..fashion.

    This unrest could have been avoided by a simple yet to the point post by a mod.
    i.e.
    The new and improved ROTS Social Thread Rules:

    1. Swearing and/or star swearing will no longer be tolerated.
    2. Posting a plethora of gifs will no longer be tolerated as they slow down the boards.
    3. Inappropriate and questionable gifs/images will no longer be tolerated.

    Violate any of these terms and you will be banned.

    Something to that effect anyways.

    However, this should be forum-wide, not singular thread only.
    />/>
  9. hitmbig Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Oct 6, 2004
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    Exactly. I would have just not done it if it were an amendment issue with the TOS. I just got fired up with the 'do this and that' orders.
  10. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling

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    Jan 23, 2002
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    darth-sinister posted on 6/25/05 12:03am/>

    [face_laugh]

    I'm sorry, but that's just funny. The rule was made that users couldn't swear over the line of the allowed list, but where exactly in the TOS does it say that the user isn't allowed to "star swear"? I could easily line up a million asterisks. It may mean something in my mind, but if I'm not truely saying anything other than posting a few little stars in a message, it would be jumping to conclusions to ban me for it. Personally, I think that you had absolutely no right to ban him for that. You're just jumping your guns, methinks.

    It's not "circumventing the system" if he never said anything to begin with. He's not breaking any rule whatsoever./>/>
  11. malkieD2 Ex-Manager and RSA

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    Jun 7, 2002
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    Personally, I think that you had absolutely no right to ban him for that.

    ROC clearly states :-

    User acknowledges and agrees that the use of the Jedi Council Forums is a privilege, not a right, and that the administration of the Jedi Council has the right, at its sole discretion, to revoke this privilege at any time without notice should the administration deem it necessay.

    If a mod feels that your actions were inappropriate then he or she is within their "rights" to ban you for it.
  12. Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Jedi Youngling

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    Jan 23, 2002
    star 6
    There is where the users can get screwed over completely if they mods feel like they have the right to do it.

    If anyone wants to follow me up on this, feel free to. I'm too tired to make a big elaborate post on this issue. :p
  13. hitmbig Jedi Youngling

    Member Since:
    Oct 6, 2004
    star 5
    Some MODS here are ego driven and get off on banning users for lame reasons. Simple as that. I know I did not break the TOS but that is my POV.


    ***** should just not be allowed and save all of the confusion.
  14. NeoBaggins Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Oct 28, 2003
    star 5

    I was banned for saying "Shiznit" which isn't even a real word. The same MOD also told me NOT to use the rolling-eyes smiley. I hardly ever go to the 'Prequel trilogy' section of the boards because of the iron-fisted rule there.

    This is a good thread.
  15. YodaJeff Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Oct 18, 2001
    star 7
    That word you mentioned is obviously a clear reference to a word that is banned, and those types of words also have been banned for a while (if that makes sense). However, unless you had a prior history, I'd think it could simply warrant an edit and warning.
  16. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Jun 18, 2004
    star 8
    I've seen the word "Shizzle" here lots of times go unedited, but doesn't that mean the same thing?

    I'm behind on Snoopisms.
  17. hitmbig Jedi Youngling

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    Oct 6, 2004
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    Good examples guys. I still think it depends on the mod. Some are cooler than others.
  18. YodaJeff Manager Emeritus

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    Oct 18, 2001
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    ApolloSmileGirl, a quick trip to urbandictionary says that the more popular meaning is "sure", as in "fo shizzle" would be "for sure". However, if it is used as a noun, "that post was the *******", then it has the meaning you thought it had.
  19. FORCEFED Jedi Grand Master

    Member Since:
    Nov 27, 2002
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    so synonyms are banned now too?

    if shizzle and shiznit can mean **** than other words that mean the same thing must also be banned.


    what's the difference if i say "what is this crap are you talking about?"

    or

    "what is this shiznit you are spewing?"



    they are both meant to express a point and not break TOS.

    FF
  20. YodaJeff Manager Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Oct 18, 2001
    star 7
    No, not all synonyms are banned. Just those that sound similar to the word in question.

    And they aren't just "banned now", they have been banned for years.
  21. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Grand Master

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    Jun 18, 2004
    star 8
    Isn't "Freaking" banned, if it's used in the wrong context?
  22. PrincessKenobi New Films Manager of DOOM

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    Aug 12, 2000
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    From reading the entirity of the thread. Let me just say this, it is hard to expect a user of these boards to even understand the rules when you go to diffrent spots on the boards and there be a completely diffrent set of rules for each board.

    I can spend all day in the JCC and make a refrence that someone is a "ass clown" then go to ROTS Social thread and again say something is a "ass clown." And then get banned?? Where is the logic in that? If I'm allowed to do something over here I should be allowed to over on another board. I can understand wanting us to have some deceancy and common sense when we post. I like to think for the most part I do.

    But this thread is showing me one thing clearly and that we truely need to re-visit what is and what isn't apporiate for TF.N because I personally have never had a problem with most of the things I've seen in the Social thread or any place on these boards. And then bam out of no where everything is wrong. Everything we had been doing is considered wrong.

    I have enjoyed the Social Thread since August of 2000. It's been a staple in the Spoiler Community and the Prequal boards. I've fought for it. And I'll fight for it again. But I personally think that its wrong to hold one thread to higher standards then you hold the rest of the message board. That if the mods and any user who believes this place is suppose to be family friendly, then lets get rid of the JCC and make it Elmo's Happy Hour instead. Because the majority of those threads, including some I have personally started are not family friendly. In fact they are the complete opposite of that.

    And yes please say that this has nothing to do with the Social Thread. Please I'm begging you. Because guess what it does, because since ROTS has come out alot more users have flooded in from where the other facets of the board and are posting there. Or users from there have flooded out into the other forums and are posting. This is a board wide issue not just a ROTS issue. One thread should not be held to higher standards then the rest of the board. That's setting double stadrards and setting up users to get banned. Which I don't think anyone wants here.

    ~PK~
  23. KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus

    Member Since:
    Nov 6, 2001
    star 8
    But I personally think that its wrong to hold one thread to higher standards then you hold the rest of the message board.

    If a single thread has different, unique or otherwise more difficult problems to deal with on a consistent basis, it's likely to have higher or different standards. Better than closing it entirely, don't you think?

    It's not a double standard. It's adapting to the circumstances.
  24. LadyWhilla Force Ghost

    Member Since:
    May 6, 2002
    star 4
    It is a double standard. Let's get back to why swearing is not allowed and why posting questionable images is not allowed.
    Family-friendly site. Plain and simple and I think everyone realizes that.

    So thinking along the lines as if I was a 13 year old kid I might browse the social thread but I'd be more inclined to head to the JCC. That's where I'd find the kind of things I'd want to see. Threads about masturbation. I'd love that. Let's not forget the hottie's thread to go along with that.
    Yeah, I'd say it's a double standard.
    Everyone will adapt to the circumstances eventually or get banned. I still say the TOS and RoC should extend across the boards.

    Why is that unreasonable?
  25. MariahJSkywalker Poopoo Head

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    Mar 11, 2005
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    Having a single thread having different standards than the rest is just plain stupid. We shouldn't have to wonder if I say a certain word in here will I be banned. If rule is made it should be enforced in all forums and threads. If you can't do that, then things need to be relooked over or changed.
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