Census Tournament Suggestion Thread -- summer tournament discussion

Since fewer nominations isn't necessarily a bad thing, as we're open to the option of having a mini-tournament, my suggestion would be to start taking nominations now, or very soon, and then not open the tournament itself until after the New Year. Staring now will still give people time to make suggestions before the holidays begin; then, you can prep the tournament in the mean time, and once everybody's back and active, we can get started on the voting with no delay.

-Paul

 

By the same token though, people may be on here just as much if not more because they undoubtedly procrastinate from studies and have a peak onto the forums.

What Paul suggested works. Start the nomination thread after this weekend and collect what we need and then perhaps start it after the new year. Still, if we get a lot of people nominating, starting it now could still be viable. One thing that I'll just make people aware of, however, is that I'm away for eleven days starting from Dec 31st. But between myself and Nat we could still start it around then, if that became the decision.



How do you define a variant? Would Texas Hold-em just be a variant of poker? I say nay.

I say yay.

 

Then would Risk 2210 be different from regular RISK? After all it has a different map and new rules like cards and commanders. From there you could say that those games that have expansions have each expansion included. The games where thier core rules are the same should be under one name.

On another question, would TCG's and RPG's be included? For this I say yay.



That's my opinion.

 

I'd put in a vote strongly against the inclusion of TCGs and RPGs. I can't articulate my reasons very well; maybe I'll try again later. But they seem like a basically different beast to me, and I'd just as soon not have them cluttering up this tournament, because I feel they do something different. Maybe there could be a separate tournament of some sort for them later?

On the subject of variants, what if we adopt as basic policy the rule that variants won't be accepted, but with the possibility of allowing some variants based on demand and subject to Tyi-Maet_Nefer's approval? So, Texas Hold 'Em cannot, by default, count as a separate entry from Poker. But, if you feel strongly that it ought to be included separately, you can come in here and make your case, we can see whether others agree with you and want it in the game, and Tyi has the final say.

The suggestion of looking at "core rules" is a good one. There's a line here that's really fuzzy and difficult to draw. For instance, when this gets going, I'm going to nominate Pi Chess. (Not that I expect that to go anywhere, since it apparently never caught on and I can't even turn it up in a Google search now. But still, it was quite a game, and I feel compelled to nominate it.) Now, it would be possible to make an argument that that's just a variant form of regular chess. It's just got a differently-shaped board, and it retains most of the basic rules but lets you do more things. Much the same way that Lord of the Rings Stratego is kind of Stratego plus, say. But adopting a circular board and adding more than two players changes the game so fundamentally that I simply don't think it can be held to be the same game anymore.

But that's also starting to look like an argument for, say, Texas Hold 'Em, which I wouldn't necessarily encourage. I guess I'd say that most board game variants are relatively easy to rule out, because they tend to be rebranded, or to feature a couple of interesting but minor variations. There are a lot more card game variations that might be legit, but it would also be easy to clutter the contest up very quickly with them. Which is why the popular support/mod approval approach may be a good one.

-Paul

 

I agree. I guess I'll agree with a TCG/RPG tournament maybe later. Also, I agree that Lord of the Rings Stratego is a whole different game than the regular version. Both fun games. Well said.

 

If need be, though, you could have a nomination as Stratego (all versions) or something similar. Now, I'm not familiar with Stratego (I've never played the game! should I have?) so I'm not making a judgement in this particular case, just indicating possibilities. The less "duplicates" the better in my view. So yes, currently, I think Risk and Risk 2210 A.D. (plus Clone Wars Risk, OT Risk, Transformers Risk, LOTR Risk) would all be under the one: RISK.

What you said is great, Paul. I agree on the TCG/RPG point especially. And please feel free to always call me by just Tyi, although I'm sure you had fun copying and pasting my entire name.


So how about I start a nominations thread Sunday evening/Monday morning my time?

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Actually, funnily enough, I was attempting to say that I'd count Stratego and Lord of the Rings Stratego as the same game, and contrasting that to the case of Pi Chess, which I'd say is different. I might have been unsuccessful in expressing that, however. But you're right, they are both fun!

I'm not sure why I didn't. Or whether I copied and pasted, or typed it out and went back and checked several times. Both are possible. It was late.

-Paul

 

That sounds fine. Tyi, I'll be gone/sketchy for about that amount of time before, so I'll miss most of the nominations time (though I'd kill to be someone who has time for procrastination), but I can help with the tournament part while you're gone.

I agree with Paul about variations: they have to be big. Pretty much goes with my Monopoly example (though I've never played Texas Hold'Em so I can't comment on that).

 

All you need is one second of time to nominate, so I'm sure you'll be able to get some of your own in when you have a moment.

So, nominations; looks like after the weekend it is.

 

Where did this mew smilie come from?!? Also I was saying I think they are different games but still should be counted as one. And finally, there's an OT RISK!?!?!?!?!? I say an ad on the side of the clone wars risk for it but could never find it.

 

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Guess we're all in agreement about the version issue I guess if we have any arguments for a version, we can bring them up when/if they get nominated.

 

Where did this mew smilie come from?!?

I'll get my lawyers onto it ASAP.

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And finally, there's an OT RISK!?!?!?!?!? I say an ad on the side of the clone wars risk for it but could never find it.

I reckon. I don't actually know much ... I've tried to locate it in a shop here ... but no luck. I know that some people have talked about it as though it existed, so I just included it. But seriously, if you ever see it, please let me know, 'cause I want it.

 

The Board Games and Card Games Tournament NOMINATIONS.

 

Just to toss this out there: Best Military Commander, with people like Napoleon, Caesar, Hannibal, and Alexander the Great. Just a thought.

 

I love those guys But would we have anough really famous ones for a tournament, and wouldn't most or all of them have fallen under "historical people?"

 

Let's see: Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Julius Caesar, Darius the Great, Hannibal, Gaius Marius, Attila the Hun, William the Conqueror, Rommel, Horatio Nelson, Ulysses S. Grant, Richard I, the Duke of Wellington, and many others. I'd say there's plenty of them available.

 

I'm pretty sure that every single one of those people you listed were in the Favourite Historical Figure tournament, friend.

 

That was the start, I can list many more if you wish. And that was a Favorite Historical Figure, I was thinking this one could be more factual on who one thinks was the most skilled.

Darius I, Xerxes I, Philip II, Alexander the Great, Gaius Marius, Horatio Nelson, Julius Caesar, Ulysses S. Grant, Hannibal, Julius Caesar, Attila the Hun, Charlemagne, Gengis Khan, Richard I, Vlad the Impaler, Duke of Wellington, Erwin Rommel

But, eh, if you think it has been done before, forget it.

 

Sorry for not responding earlier. From personal experience, I think you would run into a problem trying to run a 'tournament' where people vote for the best or most skilled figure. Often that, in itself, is an opinion based off of whether somebody likes the person or not. This is why basically every tournament is run to find people's "favourite". To ask the question of most skilled, that would be for a discussion thread in the JCC or the Senate Floor where you can debate it comfortably.

As such, I do think the commanders have been covered in the previous tournament. I was going to inform you however, that I had heard of a "top military leaders" contest going on over in the Senate ... but when I ventured over there to check it out I noticed that you had already found it, Loyal. So no worries.

 

Beat you to it But it had good timing

 

Thanks! I figured a tournament wasn't the best way, but from what I'd seen of the Senate I didn't think they did votes. It was just too good of a topic to pass up.

 

Another thing to add onto the tourney ideas list, how about favorite Icon.

 

Icon ... as in, on here? The icons? <img src=http://www1.theforce.net/jc/icons/episode3/obiwan_ep3_fp3.gif>

 

yeah that'd be cool

 

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