it was brought up in the october meeting that tfn kinda has a problem with trading and have/want lists etc. (im not knocking tfn) to offer this, bloodfin offered an area on their sight just for that. thanks guys this got me thinking and i messed around till i found a way to set up a bb on mine too. my server has assured me that swapping and have/want lists are perfectly ok with them, but they are very vague about outright sales, so i figured maybe we could come up with a code for that. anyway, for those interested, come try it out.