Transformers Discussion Thread (Transformers: Dark of the Moon)

Discussion in 'Archive: Your Jedi Council Community' started by Jedi_Master_Conor, Apr 24, 2006.

  1. Import_Jedi Force Ghost

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    I read your review. What's so stupid about Megatron wanting peace? [face_flag] [face_peace] [:D] [face_skull] :D
  2. slimybug Force Ghost

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    Wow, small world. But you may want to HTR that.

    Seriously, dude? The big finale of the Transformers trilogy, and it's just like

    Megatron: Woah, wait a minute, dude. I know I'm like the big ruthless, pure-evil villain, but screw it, I just want peace now, cool.

    Optimus: Cool, Broseph. See ya back on Cybertron.

    *Fist-bump.*


    I would think that Michael Bay especially would have hated this. "Let's just have them blow each other up!


    Slimy!
  3. DarthMane2 Force Ghost

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    So does anyone know who was finally chosen to voice Shockwave?
  4. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Grand Master

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    I don't know, but the small bit of curiosity went out the window, when I saw that Wheelie the Megan Fox's leg humping pervbot was in this one too.
  5. DarthMane2 Force Ghost

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    From what I've read Shockwave only has like 5 lines in the movie, and will be voiced by Welker. So any hope that the live action movie Shockwave will have anything to do with the Comic or Cartoon version is pretty much dead.

    Pretty much just the generic bad guy of the movie.

    Very disappointed. A comic accurate movie version of Shockwave would have made a superb villain.
  6. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Grand Master

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    If there's anything that Bay's Transformers movies can not be accused of, it's being faithful to the Transformers cartoons or comics. So, why start now?
  7. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Just got back.... I have a range of reactions to this but it is the best of the three movies and does a decent job of tying together stuff like explaining where the other autobots came from (though some things like the Sentinel/Megatron backstory doesn't really make any sense in relation to the first film's backstory, and as awesome as Alan Tudyk is as Dutch, his role really should have been filled by one of the hackers from the first film, which would have actually improved the first movie).

    This film at leats draws upon a lot of obvious source material inspirations, even though none of them are really developed to any degree where they have the impact they could (they are clearly drawing upon things like the Ark from G1, the Ark II scenario from Dreamwave, All Hail Megatron from IDW, the Decepticon ending to the first movie's video game and The Ultimate Doom from G1).

    On the human front, Carly is generic and, outside of her job, is no different in function than Fox's character was. Malkovich was good, though (but vanishes after 15 minutes, so, he really contributes little to the film). The human bad guy was a nice addition part of the time. The parents are minimized here and the NEST soldiers are action dressing (and there is one stupid scene where one of Tyrese's soliders complains that "he didn't sign up for this", citing being shot at by aliens, etc...when, in fact, given how they came together, it is what he signed up for- they're infiltrating a city held by hostile alien machines!). The "we are invaded/surrender" plot element for Earth also happens in a blink of an eye without a fight too.

    There are some great sequences- the toppling building, the DC car chase (which finally delivers what we actually expected from having Michael Bay direct these movies!), the squirrel suits, etc.

    But, some of the traditional problems still persist- the robot designs are still generally terrible (though at least Sentinel Prime has a bit more going for him) and actually almost ruin a couple scenes that would actually be very awesome if we had any idea what was actually happening on screen with the swirling masses of scrap metal (the stuff with Sideswipe and Ironhide leading up to, during and after the mexican standoff looks like some awesome moves taking place, but you really just can't tell (even in slow motion!!) what the characters are doing- you just see the beginning and end and essentially get what can only be described as a slow motion fast forward in between- they might as well cut to a $10 million soda can for 10 seconds).

    They also still don't trust the robot characters to be treated as actual characters- they're still either window dressing or generic monsters. So don't expect any of them to be developed to any degree (the only exception is the Optimus/Sentimnel material to some degree). This is all perfectly encapsulated by the line of dialogue "We have five targets and Shockwave below us."

    Optimus and Sentinel get 90% of the screen time, Bumblbee is still there often, though. Sideswipe gets about twice the screen time and dialogue he had last time (so, still not much). Ratchet and Ironhide are basically one-scene cameos. There's a red car that looks like Bumblebee when om bot mode so i'm guesisng he's a latino Cliffjumper? You don't really hear his name clearly. There's some mad scientist character that I have no clue about (Wheekjack?). The racist Twins are thankfully gone, though Arcee and Volt are missing (but then, was Volt ever really there to begin with? ;)). Wheelie has a new unnamed sidekick and they're not bad together (and do zero leg humping). The Wreckers are fun, but not there much.

    The Decepticons are again short=shrifted. All that talk about Shockwave being the new "big bad" of the movie is hogwash. His role is similar to being somewhere between Blackout and Starscream's in the first movie and he has one line of dialogue (the rest is Decepticon gibberish). And it's not even really clear if he *is* the tentacle worm machine or is just operating the worm machine a
  8. ApolloSmileGirl Jedi Grand Master

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    No Arcee, huh? So goes the final nail in Bay's coffin. **** Bayformers!!!
  9. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Yeah- but I think we knew that going in, didn't we? I thought there was some article within the last few months that mentioned Bay didn't like how Arcee turned out so she was definitely not returning for TF3.

    Though, come to think of it, there was one shot of a motorcycle, but it had a human driver that didn't seem to be a hologram (no indication it was like distortion ripples, etc) and I don't think it matched the design or color scheme of Arcee (or any of her clones from ROTF). SO I think it was just a random human escort for the Bots.
  10. Aytee-Aytee Force Ghost

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    They were SUPPOSED to be Mirage and Wheeljack....but they wee changed to "Dino" and "Que".


    God I dislike Michael Bay so much.
  11. Mr_Mwindu Force Ghost

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    just got back from seeing it down here in melbourne

    whilst i believe it was better than revenge of the fallen, some of the dialogue (especially between sam and carly) reminded me of some moments in the star wars prequels. however, i was dissapointed with the lack of screentime for shockwave....but most of all, was stunned with sentinel prime joining the decepticons, and killing ironhide
  12. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Yeah, to give the film credit, the betrayal of Sentinel prime was a complete surprise- I'm surprised they didn't give it away in the trailers, quite frankly.

    The the mad scientist and the red car?

    Que? Que?! He named himself after a transitional pronoun?
  13. Darth_Invidious Chosen One

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    "¿Que que?", indeed.

    I was briefly considering spending $10 and several valuable neurons to see this on a lazy Saturday morning show. But Quest's review here and several others I've read still don't instill the slightest bit of worth to that idea. Maybe watching Green Lantern might be a more enjoyable experience if they were showing it in my neck of the woods (and that seems to be very unlikely now; for some reason the major local theater chain doesn't seem to be interested in showing it...ever).
  14. DarthMane2 Force Ghost

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    So disappointing that Shockwave got the screw. Basically just the generic villain. I had orginally thought Burton didn't take the role because perhaps he was tired of it, but from what I've read he pretty much figured it was a waste of time since he didn't have many lines, and wouldn't have gotten payed much for it anyway. He doesn't like the movie versions much either. I was getting super excited that a comic inspired version of Shockwave would have made it into the film. Which was stupid of me since this is Michael Bay's Transformers we're talking about.

    As for the surprise villain....I think people have been calling that one for a while. But yeah I guess the bigger surpise is that Bay didn't spoil it out right.

    Still going to see it regardless, but in the same way I did ROTS. Want to see how it ends, and then be glad it's over.

    Also...does Cullen make his cameo in this? I remember they had been talking about giving him a scene. Would have been awesome if they had done a scene where somebody comes up to Prime in cab form. The window lowers and it's Cullen in a cowboy hat talking like Ironhide.
  15. Aytee-Aytee Force Ghost

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    "Que" pronounced...."Q"

    [image=http://www.007museum.com/q-penn-parker.jpg]
    Even though we all know he is really Wheeljack.
    [image=http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/103/1/7/Alternator_Wheeljack_by_Dan_the_artguy.jpg]
    Yes, I like the Mustang Alternator Wheeljack better...love the angular shape of his head as compared to G1.
    Just wish they would have made his racing stripes green and red.

    As for "Dino"....it was supposed to be Mirage. But since Michael Bay had to kiss Ferrari's derriere to include it, they named it after Alfredo Ferrari.

    Despite the fact that the character in the novel is so obviously Mirage. Both Starscream and Soundwave mock him for prefering to go invisible than to actually fight.
  16. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    Well, he never uses his cloaking hologram ability in the film, so it being Mirage isn't as obvious in the film itself. Like I said, since the bot form looks like a red Bumblebee, my initial assumption was it was Cliffjumper, though the alt mode suggested it was possibly Sideswipe (which obviously was already taken in the movie, so maybe Sunstreaker).

    I do also want to add that the 3D was excellent for this movie- Avatar quality. Particularly the scenes with the troopers in the squirrel suits flying through and above the city.


    The closest we'll get is the easter egg cameo in ROTF:

    [image=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/SuGCnmHSkvI/AAAAAAAAHtI/kC0cplVV6FI/s1600/TF2G1ShockwaveCloseup.JPG]



    I didn't see him, but if he is is, he's not in that scenario (which is something I would have assumed would have been done as well, alas).
  17. VadersLaMent Chosen One

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    Dripping, sarcastic review

    Edit: I have to add this.

    Roger Ebert gave the film one out of four stars, calling it "a visually ugly film with an incoherent plot, wooden characters and inane dialog. It provided me with one of the more unpleasant experiences I've had at the movies."
  18. DantheJedi Force Ghost

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    Brad Jones and Spoony's reviews of Transformers 3 are must-see, if you were disappointed by it.

    They're convinced me not to watch it.
  19. DarthMane2 Force Ghost

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    I'd venture to guess that this is probably it for Shia. He had his break out role in Holes. Dirturbia gave him some more cred. Then he had Transformers.

    He had a nice little streak. However Transformers 2, although a money maker, was a critical disaster. Wall Street 2 was his chance at more postive critical cred which you know, you should have as a actor. Look at Nick Cage for example, he'll do 5 crappy movie and enjoy it, then do one critically acclaimed movie and some how stay on the A list.

    Plus WS 2 was a sequel to a pretty good movie. However that failed and whatever he could have gained from that was lost.

    Now he has TF3. Which will no doubt be a money maker. Probably making the same as before. Why? Because people are going to want to see if Bay screwed up again, and if he does they're are going to want to see it anyway(probably multiple viewings) so they can enjoy hating it. Still, this will be Shia's last Blockbuster. He was safe while the series lasted, but now it's at an end. Nobody really likes him anyway. Comes off as way to annoying. Though even I'll give him credit for being some what entertaining. He plays a good Shia Lebeouf I'll tell you that much.

    I fear this will be it for poor Shia. No longer in high demand.
  20. -Phoenix- Force Ghost

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    I had fun watching this movie. Better than the last two, the robots were more fun, Sentinel Prime's betrayal was super unexpected, and the action was top-notch. Has some of the same problems the other ones had, but overall was more fun and more funny. Certain parts did drag a bit though.
  21. Eeth-my-Koth Chosen One

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    This movie is gonna make $300+ million domestic. Shia will be fine dude. I think you're overestimating how much reviews matter. In the end it's all about the buck.
  22. Jek_Windu Jedi Master

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    Surprisingly, I really liked it. It's easily the strongest of the three movies in pretty much all respects. I really enjoyed how they actually made Sam a proactive character that makes things happen rather than someone things happen to. That's a key difference that actually has Sam working as the main character, something the previous two movies sorely lacked. I also thought it was a nice touch that the movie is considerably darker than what came before- it really feels like an apocalypse rather than just battles. The line We will kill them all exploited the emotional tone of the middle part of the film quite well.

    As for its critical reception, I wonder how much it comes from people deciding to hate the movie before they saw it. That's not exactly an unreasonable position, considering how awful the second one was, but I do think this movie deserves a much higher score on RT.

  23. anidanami124 Force Ghost

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    Take it like this if you enjoyed it then keep on enjoying it. Me I enjoyed it I had a fun time. I paid to see a big summer movie I got a big summer movie. I walked out happy. :D

  24. DarthMane2 Force Ghost

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    I really don't see him being in high demand anymore. Atleast for a while. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll still make movies. Just nobody will watch them. :)

    and on another point, is it really true that these movies had to have a huge human factor in order to have audience appeal? I mean I guess you had to have live human actors to care about, but did the movie have to be about them?


    I understand the point the writers and Bay made about the need for human character we could connect with, but seems to me that if you actually developed the Tranformers the same connection would have been made. Instead they're just big toys on screen, save for Optimus I guess. But look at Megs. A horrible villain with no characterisation at all who's only purpose is to let the audience know that the big grey ugly dude is the Decepticon leader. There was no dinamic rivalry between Prime and Megs like in the source material. Megs is just there. There because in Transformers lore Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons, he's there for no other reason. Even when the writers decided to give Megs and Starscream some scenes reminiscent of their comic and cartoon version in ROTF, it served no purpose other than a nod to fans. Starscream never once betrayed Megatron. He doesn't show any desire to rule. This is the same decepticon that if Megatron were to bend down to tie his shoe(if he had them obviously) Starscream would go,"MEgatron has fallen, I'm the leader of the Decepticons now." Any bits of characterisation that show some vague familiarity to their source material counterparts is nothing more than nods, because basically pretty much every Transformer in this movie, save for Optimus and Bumblebee, aren't characters. They're just toys that shoot things.

    Which brings me back to Shockwave. So disappointing. Most people remember Shocks from his cartoon version. If you were a bigger fan you'd know him from his comic version as well. A version far superior to that of the cartoon. In the cartoon he was a loyal follower of Megatron, and decepticon of logic given life by the voice of Corey Burton. Who's voice is the spirit of Shockwave just as Cullen and Welker are the spirits of their characters. In the comic his only loyalty was to logic, atleast his warped version of it. In the comics it was only logical that Shockwave rule the decepticons, because how could logic allow it any other way. A pretty bad ass character, and a great villain period, not just in Transformers. That version of him on screen would have wiped away anyone's bad feelings of the Transformers, espeically the villains, getting a bad wrap. All you would have needed to remember was that Shockwave was pretty cool in that movie. Instead he's on screen perhaps 10 minutes, has five lines, and save for some vague look has no connection at all to the actual Shockwave.

    I hope if there is ever a reboot they actually make movies about Transformers. Kinda sad either way since I doubt Cullen would reprise his role again. I guess for the most part he got a better part in the movies then the rest of them anyway. So atleast we got to see Cullen bring Prime to life on the big screen, and kick some ass while doing it. To bad everything else about these movies has to suck.

  25. The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth

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    It's a heavy line- so much for "'Till All Are One" I guess :p.


    :eek: [face_laugh] [face_laugh] [face_laugh]



    Yeah- if you think about it, Shockwave should have been in the Sentinel Prime role, with the pillars (Shockwave being the Decepticon scientist, afterall) and logic of sacrificing Earth for Cybertron.

    (but then I guess we'd miss out on the Nimoy/Star Trek 2 references/quotes :p )



    I think they could get Cullen back- he's doing the current TV show, afterall, and still does the video games. And I get the impression he's at peace with being eternally associated with the character and enjoys it. So I think they'll be able to get him back.

    The only difference is they'll just have to give him a bigger paycheck :D.


    But, yeah, you're pretty much spot on about the characters of the bots.