JCC Transgender, nonbinary, genderqueer

What are the word(s) for that? Just curious now.

 

In German we don't even have a good replacement for they... The German they sounds like the German She/ polite second person singular.

 

I do not know. Finnish is not a language I have learned, just French from birth and English when I took my classes in school. But I will ask my friend later in the day and come back with the answer

 

Just spent the weekend with my brother and he was STILL GOING about his beliefs about the trans community and I'm so sick and tired of hearing him trying to spin his argument and say that the only way he can properly explain it is with parallel dimensions or whatever.

His argument boils down to that he's afraid that gender identity will kill off society because all women will become men and no one will bear children and that everyone should like the skin they're in.

And I only got him to finally say that when I finally outed myself.

And then the Orlando shooting, which I didn't bring up around him at all because I'm honestly sick and tired of this. I'm tired of his argument. I'm tired of it.

Sorry, I needed to get this all off my chest and this is really the only place I can do so.

 

I'm glad you got it off your chest, TrakNar.

I'm trying not to overstep my bounds, because we're not on that level, but that post was powerful.

 

Yeah, that was a great post. You have a tremendous amount of patience of which I lack when it comes to people like that.

 

Honestly i support anyone being who they want to be. See recently i supported Steam Powered Giraffe and there music one of there members happens to be transgender and she makes the most amazing music ever and her music has gotten better over the year's and the fans have been completely supportive of his transition from male to female if you would like to hear her here is a link to hold me from there latest album.



Enjoy..

 

from what I understand he's not actually competing in the olympics proper; he just qualified for competition in olympic-level events with Team USA. Which is pretty cool anyway in itself, good for him.

that being said... to be honest I'm not really sold on the letting-trans-people-compete-in-the-olympics-with-their-transitioned-to-sex thing, in particular when it comes to trans women (two of whom are according to the article competing anonymously in this year's games). while articles like the above mean well I'm sure and I do appreciate the positivity I think they present the ~science~ surrounding hormonal transition somewhat more conclusively than it actually is-- and even were that not the case I feel like it's kind of like playing with fire so far as the optics of the movement go.

 

Oh, that's interesting. Interesting take that you have. Tell me more about this science and how you feel about it.

 

If you've knowledge of research into the physiological outcomes of cross-sex hormone treatment in the near, medium and long term spanning a statistically significant portion of the transsexual population (and sufficiently diverse, considering individual trans people can live from zero years to decades as their birth sex before transition) then by all means, please do share. As a trans woman I'd be beyond thrilled to get a look at quantifiable data on the subject.

 

I don't I thought you did.

 

so far as I know nobody does. which is why I think implying the science on the subject is at all settled (as a number of media reports including the one linked above are doing) is naive at best.

EDIT: also having double-checked what the new IOC requirements are I can tell you (anecdotally!) that they seem absurd-- a year on cross-sex hormones is for most people not nearly enough time for the more gross structural changes to have taken place, and dropping the surgery requirement can mean that all it takes is a missed dose or two and you're back to male levels of T. Like... legit would like to know what the panel's rationale was for changing it from two years + surgery (which I was already ambivalent about but at least seemed vaguely defensible) to this, because, damn.

 

Reminds me of caster semenya he discussion the sexism and mysogyny were ripe during her discussion. She is an intersex athlete only that she didnt know she was intersex until it was all publicly smeared into the media.

I can trust you that most transwomen that are on hormones would not want their testosterone levels high(beside the fact that you cant just get on/off as you please) and therefore I think that point is moot.

 

I don't know, athletes dope all of the time. Additionally, many porn actresses will go off blockers before shooting for better functionality. It is conceivable that an athlete might go off her meds for a small period of time around competitions.

I don't think that means there's going to be a flood of people starting hormones to be able to compete as a woman so they can dominate that field, which is what alarmists seem to think is the problem.

 

Going on/off hormones in short terms is a sure way to eff up your hormonal systems in your body. Also I am pretty sure they do tests during the games anyway and if they were shown to be not consistent with pre games results then they could be disqualified as well.

 

out of wack sex hormones actually isn't hugely physiologically dangerous, just psychologically uncomfortable (and potentially even advantageous if it involves high T). and yeah if they're testing like daily I guess that'd account for the possibility, but it's not T levels that I think is potentially an issue here; it's accumulated physiological advantages (skeletal, muscular, etc) from living X years as male vs apparently as little as one as female. trust me, this stuff doesn't go away overnight, and the older one is at the age of transition the longer it seems to take, if it ever does.

yeah a lot of the objection I've seen is def based on silliness like this, but I think concern about genuine trans athletes having an unfair edge isn't unreasonable. were i an athlete I'd be concerned about it; i know athletic trans women (not competitive) who are themselves concerned about it. like if you're at all given to self-reflection it's impossible not to wonder to what extent your accomplishments in that arena are due to however many years with an adult male body.

 

It's not a totally unreasonable concern, but it's hard to object to it when they just want to participate in a sport that they love. It is just a sport. Obviously there's a ton of money and stuff tied up into sport, but we're, for the most part, talking about athletes that just want to live their lives and do what they love. Like, "sorry about this, but now you also can't compete because of this thing that is already ruining your life".

 

My hormones are outta whack as it is.

In related news, I was with some relatives over the weekend. On Sunday, they were deep into a discussion about the oft-debated bathroom issue. I walk into the room on the way to the bathroom, and everyone gets really quiet and start staring at me as I walk by. Once I'm in the bathroom, I hear the discussion start back up. When I leave, the discussion gets quiet again. That was really uncomfortable.

I'm not even out to my family. What the ****.

 

well i have way less of an issue with like, collegiate or varsity sports or whatever. the Olypmics though is something of a totally different order that literally the entire world cares about; to me it just seems like asking for huge backlash and PR disaster for the movement (such as it is) in the event a trans athlete wins a medal. Like it sucks yeah but so do myriad other things involving transition, and "not being able to compete in the Olympics" just isn't going to be super high on the priority list for most people anyway.

sweet lord baby jesus I went and googled this out of curiosity and it's literally something straight from tumblr:


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just



why

what have we done to deserve this

 

Well, I mean, the Olympics are terrible anyway and should go away forever.