"Treason" by Ann Coulter

Admiral said...I believe that when it was said that Coulter believes in the benefits of fascism, that she was actually proposing that Mussolinist fascism was an advantageous political system.

Post Proof or Retract.

 

Ohhh...this liar tells less lies than other...so her lies should be believed.

I get you.

By your standards no one should be believed. Becuase if you lie you are a liar and everyone lies. I you say you have never lied you are a liar.

You missed the point. If Moore lies 80% of the time and Coulter lies 60% of the time. It is more likely Moore is lying. Simple math. Education. Ain't it grand?

 

There are multiple advantages to a fascist system of government.
Fascism does not suffer from the constant infighting of a dissenting populace, because dissent can be quickly destroyed or in the least silenced.
Macedon was an Oligarchy ruled by a General-King, and yet King Philip and Alexander the Great presided over peace and prosperity in Macedon.
Sparta was a theocratic oligarchy, and it was the most stable nation that Ancient Greece ever saw, as well as one of the major Grecian Superpowers.
The Mongolian Empire was massive and extremely powerful because it was feared and its leaders respected.

Empire?s have the advantage of military power and quick action whereas Republics and Democracies are often bogged down in debate, even when they are being personally threatened.

Every form of government has some sort of feature that makes it beneficial to its existence.
Try looking at the governmental type, simply attacking the emotional connotation that we have for Empires like Italy, Japan, and Germany is the very definition of a Red Herring.

 

Treason is the factually inaccurate ravings of a lunatic. There is something to be said for its worth as entertainment; there is nothing to be said for it as a serious political work.

 

Ann is a very poor female impersonator

 

Every form of government has some sort of feature that makes it beneficial to its existence.


Ssssh. Do you want to give the Left any more ideas on how *they* could make socialism work based on it's advantages, despite the failings of everyone else who tried?

E_S

 

J-rodAdmiral said...I believe that when it was said that Coulter believes in the benefits of fascism, that she was actually proposing that Mussolinist fascism was an advantageous political system.

Post Proof or Retract.

I'm going to go back and re-quote something very important within the above quoted quote.

I believe

How can you prove a belief?

He believes.

If I said I believe that you talk/post like a freebaser, there's no way to prove it. If I say Jesus Christ is Lord and Saviour of My Left Foot, can I prove it? No, it's a freaking opinion. If I say that I believe the Klingons have the best philosophy for interstellar/national/whatever peace (lol), there's no way to prove that to be fact (for various reasons, not the least of which involves it being a belief).

 

I've never hated republicans. Ann sure doesn't make it easy to continue.

Her world = republicans rule every facet of government and no one questions their decisions.

No problems with that philosophy.

 

" Every form of government has some sort of feature that makes it beneficial to its existence. Try looking at the governmental type, simply attacking the emotional connotation that we have for Empires like Italy, Japan, and Germany is the very definition of a Red Herring."

I don't think Italy, Germany, and Japan had anything good going for them. What benefit does pouring chemical stuff in peoples' eyes to make them turn blue and therefore more Aryan, whatever the hell that means, have? None. What benefit does ripping fetuses out of pregnant Chinese women have? All it's going to do is get the people who fought for fired. Fired from being Asian. Everyone that fought for Japan should eat bleach and die. Same with the Khmer Rouge. Try defending them. Who were really working for the benefit of the people in Germany? The White Rose. The only party to oppose the aggression against China? The Japanese Communist Party. Fascism has done no good for the world.

 

By your standards no one should be believed. Becuase if you lie you are a liar and everyone lies. I you say you have never lied you are a liar.

Hardly the same thing. My lies can't sway voters...or plant the seeds of dissent in the public. My lies go unnoticed....their lies are heard by millions.

You missed the point. If Moore lies 80% of the time and Coulter lies 60% of the time. It is more likely Moore is lying. Simple math. Education. Ain't it grand?

So...Moore lies 80% of the time...and Coulter lies only 60....may I ask where you got those figures? Also...if you're going to attempt to belittle someone's intelligence...at least do it in a way that doesn't make you look ignorant.

Her world = republicans rule every facet of government and no one questions their decisions.

No problems with that philosophy.

Sieg Heil!!

 

Coulter's lies aren't exactly lies. More outright distortions (quoting a quotation in an article rather than the article itself being a personal favourite of mine). They aren't exactly untrue, but they are incredibly misleading--in the same way saying "this year, the total number of Christians in the world continues to exceed 50" would be misleading.

The same applies to Michael Moore, for example the implication in Fahrenheit 9/11 that an exception to the no-flight rule was made in order that the Bin Laden family members could leave the country.

 

rogue_wookiee...you said on the previous page, "By a semi-accurate mathmatical equation. If conservatives say FOX is in the center and liberals say it is conservative it is a little conservative."

An average of opinions yields nothing but, well, an average of opinions. It doesn't bring any more truth to the statement. If I said that 2+2=4 and you said that 2+2=6, by your "semi-accurate mathematical equation" it would be fair to say that 2+2=5.

Another way of looking at the situation would be relative to each's perspective. Just amend each clause to account for perspective and you'd find the statments to be no longer contradictory. Conservatives would claim that FAUX is in the middle of their views and Liberals would say that it is to the right of their views. A statement far closer to the truth.

Later you claimed that "If Moore lies 80% of the time and Coulter lies 60% of the time. It is more likely Moore is lying." Regardless of the dubious veracity of those statistics (after all 78.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot), its a poor argument in defense of your favored author. Even if she were to lie less than Moore, is it really worth listening to an author that lies the majority of the time?

 

I like to read Ann's editorials because she makes me laugh. That doesn't mean I always agree with her, but her brazen wit tickles my particular funnybone.

I have not read "Treason" for the same reason I got bored and never finished reading Hannity's "Let Freedom Ring": I've already heard it all and the raving gets on my nerves after a while. While I'm a conservative and dig both of them, I can only take them in small, refutable doses.

 

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."
-- Ann Coulter, MSNBC, February 8, 1997


Some more of Ann's "wisdom":
"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."
-- Ann Coulter, Politically Incorrect, May 7, 1997

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."
-- Ann Coulter, MSNBC

"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."
-- Ann Coulter, George, July 1999

"[Clinton] masturbates in the sinks."
-- Ann Coulter, Rivera Live, August 2, 1999
(And you know this HOW, Annie babe? And who the hell cares about the president's ****ing habits?)

"I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when
they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."
-- Ann Coulter, Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001


Hell, even The National Review said she's a complete wackjob. And the NR is hardly what I'd call a "liberal" publication.

 

Out of curiosity, what is the context?

And is it out of context like saying "Homosexuality might not have warmed the heart of the almighty" when the incident being referred to is Jerry Falwell saying that "God" told him that gays are responsible for 9/11? Is it that sort of out of context?

 

Ann is nothing more than a woman with **** (Richard)

 

I'm not a fan of Ann Coulter; however, I wonder how many of you feel when the same is said about similar extremists (like Michael Moore and Al Franken) on the other side of the spectrum.

What's that I hear? Oh, it's a different tune.

 

I'm not a fan of Ann Coulter; however, I wonder how many of you feel when the same is said about similar extremists (like Michael Moore and Al Franken) on the other side of the spectrum.

No, it's the same tune for me. Extremism is bad, no matter what it's supporting.

 

Franken was 'created' because of Rush

 

He has refurred to himself as "left of [Ted] Kennedy".

OMG! That is so despicable!

Sorry for the sarcasm; I just couldn't resist the temptation to poke fun at the way you said that, as if a person's being "too" liberal should evoke gasps and groans from a group of onlookers.

Though redistribution of funds in that manner has some socialist airs; it still doesn't prove that Moore's a Marxist. I've never seen him attack capitalism directly.

There's a very big difference between wanting to levy a supertax on the rich and being a communist. Marxist-Leninists also controlled all means of production, abused the various forms of state aid and education to create a system of indoctrination, and abolished religion. I wish people would remember that before ranting about how American liberals are one step away from communism. (Before DM tonguelashes me for being biased, no, Republicans aren't a step away from fascism either. If Coulter really does advocate fascism, she is not a Republican at all.)

For what it's worth, why is attacking capitalism considered a bad thing? Capitalism does have a lot of problems that need attention. I think one can notice that without being considered a wacked-out pinko.

"I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."

That's an actual quote from her? Bloody hell.

So anyone who thinks it's good to spend money on social services and hence doesn't share Coulter's ideologies isn't smart enough to vote. Hmm. That's actually a rather clever argument; there can't be any valid counterarguments if you assume your opposition is too dumb to say anything worthwhile.

 

Hardly the same thing. My lies can't sway voters...or plant the seeds of dissent in the public. My lies go unnoticed....their lies are heard by millions.

You are still a liar. No better or worse than them. And you lies can sway voters. Post enough lies on message boards or lie to others and you could sway votes.

So...Moore lies 80% of the time...and Coulter lies only 60....may I ask where you got those figures? Also...if you're going to attempt to belittle someone's intelligence...at least do it in a way that doesn't make you look ignorant.

If Moore lies 80% of the time and Coulter lies 60% of the time.

Geez. Am I the only person on earth who can read the small words and details? IF! It was a hypothetical situation. Not facts. Quite obvious.

rogue_wookiee...you said on the previous page, "By a semi-accurate mathmatical equation. If conservatives say FOX is in the center and liberals say it is conservative it is a little conservative."

An average of opinions yields nothing but, well, an average of opinions. It doesn't bring any more truth to the statement. If I said that 2+2=4 and you said that 2+2=6, by your "semi-accurate mathematical equation" it would be fair to say that 2+2=5.

Only there are no hard facts about opinion. You cannot say "FOXnews is conservative." with any hard proof. Some see it as conservative, some as centrist, and a few (believe it or not) think it is to liberal.

Another way of looking at the situation would be relative to each's perspective. Just amend each clause to account for perspective and you'd find the statments to be no longer contradictory. Conservatives would claim that FAUX is in the middle of their views and Liberals would say that it is to the right of their views. A statement far closer to the truth.

OK. I'm a conservative. Extreme in some issues. Moderate in others. I see FOXnews giving both sides a fair shake. Sometimes I see them being soft on liberal interviewees and tilting things a bit liberally. Sometimes I see them being soft on conservative interviewees and tilting things a bit conservativly. I see neither very often or more than the other. I see CNN, MSNBC and other sources slanting things liberally every time I watch.

Later you claimed that "If Moore lies 80% of the time and Coulter lies 60% of the time. It is more likely Moore is lying." Regardless of the dubious veracity of those statistics (after all 78.4% of all statistics are made up on the spot), its a poor argument in defense of your favored author. Even if she were to lie less than Moore, is it really worth listening to an author that lies the majority of the time?

Refer to earlier statements.

 

If Coulter genuinely believes what she writes, then she is a sociopath. If she doesn't, then she's willfully adding to the partisan divide in the nation.

 

TrueJedi:
Have you had a chance to read her book? I mean, it wasn't like some Michael Moore nonsense, Ann goes through the effort of footnotes and doing her homework on everything she was discussing. Give her the benefit of the doubt until you have a chance to read the book.

Uh, Michael Moore uses research, footnotes, and almost always cites his sources. Have you even read his books? Don't scold us for prejudging a woman of questionable sanity when you've apparently already done the same for Michael Moore.

IceHawk-181:
More independents watch Fox News than any other channel.
The number of Democrats and Republicans are a little lopsided towards the right, but the network still has the best ratings for Cable News.

Yeah, can you guess why? It's not substance, that's for sure.

He advocates that President Bush knew about 9/11 and did nothing to stop it for political gain.

Actually, if you read Dude, Where's My Country? he says that Bush received an intelligence memo in August 2001 warning of imminent terrorist attacks (which is known fact), but Moore never says outright that "Bush knew about 9/11".

He has advanced theories that Bush¡¦s relatives were Nazis and that he is somehow tainted for that.

Again, distortion. Moore, in Stupid White Men, mentioned that George Prescott Bush (W's grandfather) had financial connections with the Nazis, but never said that he was himself a Nazi, and never meant it as any more than a passing shot at Bush.

He advocates that the United States is somehow the problem with the world.

Did he actually say that or is that what you interpret from his comments?

Seriously. These days it seems like if any one even mentions a peep of criticism towards the United States at large, he gets pilloried as an America-hating traitor. What, should we all live blind in our own self-adulation?

He advocates that the rich are evil because they are rich.

No, if you read his books you'll see that he says the rich are evil because they screw over ordinary working people. Whether or not he makes a good point, he has never said what you said he said.

He advocates that Bush has ties with Saudi Arabia and gives them political favors for support.

Well it's a fact, confirmed by Bob Woodward's Plan of Attack as well as the book House of Saud, that the Bush family does have ties with the Saudi royal family. Political favors is another thing.

Is the right thing done in the wrong way for the right reason the wrong thing to do?

I think not.

So if the United States achieved world peace by annihilating every other country on the planet, destroying every foreign enemy that could ever exist, you would support that?

Guinastasia:
"I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote. No, they all have to give up their vote, not just, you know, the lady clapping and me. The problem with women voting -- and your Communists will back me up on this -- is that, you know, women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it. And when
they take these polls, it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care."
-- Ann Coulter, Politically Incorrect, Feb. 26, 2001

This has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen attributed to Ann Coulter. What's up with this shoot-yourself-in-the-foot mentality? I bet if she were black she'd be yelling about how wrong the Thirteenth Amendment is and how blacks "have no capacity to exercise their freedom".

Now, the previous Ann Coulter quote to hold the title of Most Dumbass Thing Ever Emitted By A Primate was her quote where, referring to Arab countries, she said "We should invade those countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity!" And I know I'm not taking this out of context because in her most recent book she brags about this in the book jacket.

 

Coulter is a joke. I find it hard to believe anyone actually takes her seriously and it's pretty sad if they do.

I personally take her about as seriously as I do Michael Moore, which isn't a lot as most of you know.